My friends dark past...

OK so my best friend finally confided me in on a something she held to herself for a period of seven years. She told me she was molested for three consecutive years by a close relative starting in the 8th grade and well into the 10th grade. She said he would come over everyday when she would be alone in the afternoon (while both her parents were still at work) and touch her, he would offer to take her to doctor appointments and tell her to sit in the front seat and touch her, at family gatherings whenever the adults would look away he would touch her and always kept a watch on her. He bought expensive gifts for her for Eid perhaps trying ease his guilt, I don’t know. She felt ashamed of herself all this time and hence kept it a secret and also because she though it would wear away itself but in fact it increased, she would cry herself to sleep, her grades began to drop and finally after 10th grade when it started to wane away she ignored that it had ever happened. The reason she is not telling her mother is because her mother always is saying to her to “protect” yourself from these things and that’s all I need, but that’s exactly what happened and she feels it’ll hurt her mother and her mother is already emotionally stressed so she can’t bear to tell this to her parents it would just cause them more sadness. Now this close relative was a male uncle with a son older than her and three daughters now six years later his daughters are grown and he watches them like a hawk, he’s changed himself for the better and has become real religious and everyone is endlessly praising him for it, but my best friend still sees only his dark side whenever she lays her eyes upon him.

My friend well no exaggeration here mashallah she’s a beauty, and really intelligent mashallah she got into a prestigious university, and she lacks nothing…but these days she dwells so much on her past she feels like she doesn’t deserve anything because of what happened, she thinks she shouldn’t get married because getting close to someone will remind her of the unwanted attention she got not so long ago, she’s become so depressed over this I don’t know what to tell her. 

What should she do? How do I comfort her? And guys how would you feel if your spouse told you she was molested for such a long time? Do you think she should tell this to her spouse before marriage takes place?

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Its not easy to deal with these kind of issues. She should consider going to a psychiatrist for professional help….there is nothing wrong with seeking help. Its an emotional issue which is likely to get worse with time. I wouldn’t suggest sharing it with her parents or spouse. For relatives its hard to listen but sometimes it even harder to get over it.

Re: My friends dark past...

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What should she do?

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There are trained counsellors/therapists who'd understand her situation better than you or me. She needs professional help.

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How do I comfort her?
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Encourage her to seek professional help, it's confidential.

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And guys how would you feel if your spouse told you she was molested for such a long time?
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It wasn't her fault so it's not a question of how I'd "feel" about it. It's life; bad things happen to people. I'd be concerned if she hasn't sought professional help and would prefer that she does inorder to deal with the emotions of the her past trauma.

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Do you think she should tell this to her spouse before marriage takes place?
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She shouldn't seek a long term relationship with anyone until she has come to terms with her past via therapy. I am not being insensitive but her past trauma would weigh her future down and her spouse's too.

As regards to tell or not to tell, it depends on her relationship with her future spouse.

Your friend needs professional counselling since counsellors are trained to alleviate the trauma and peripheral issues (including to tell or not tell her future spouse about the abuse).

What a relief, I told her not to tell her parents because its harder for them to come to terms with a situation like this, as for spouse I think it could affect their relationship, there would be more understanding between them if she told him. :flower1:

Re: Re: My friends dark past…

She’s not seeking a long term relationship yet she’s still studying, but because her past situation will have a impact on that relationship that’s why I asked. :flower1:

I agree that your friend should get some counsling,
but I also think that it is very importent that she tells somebody to avoid, that he does the same thing to somebody else . I dont believe that these sick people ever can change.

Tell her to do nothing...The old American adage that "Talking about it will ease the problem" is a stupid solution and always aggravates the situation...

Tell her first of all, no one needs to know about it...This way she shields herself and the guy (Who looks like he repented) from further aggravating the solution and useless shame...What's done is done...

The future husband need never know about this...The past is histoty once two people get married, and it would straining the relationship if she confides her problems with her husband...The husband need never know...

If she can, she should talk to her uncle about what happened, and no one else...The uncle most probably, if he has truly repented, should ask for forgiveness...In this case he should be forgiven, we are all humans, and everyone makes mistakes for which they regret later...

Psychotherapy or psycholoigical evaluations always make matters worse, because a secret you can live with is now shared by two people, your psychiatrist and yourself making the guilt double...

As far as I see, she shouldn't even have told you...

Going by the modern notion of 'spilling the beans', we aggravate things much more...It hurts yourself and the person who has regretted more if we bring it out in the open...

But if the uncle has this sickness of abusing others as well on a regular basis, then someone older, very close and trustworthy, such as older uncle, or father or aunt should be approached as this sickness has taken hold of the uncle, and his sexual predatory sickness has taken hold and must be taken care of...Without loss of honor and respect to your friend...

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Psychotherapy or psycholoigical evaluations always make matters worse, because a secret you can live with is now shared by two people, your psychiatrist and yourself making the guilt double...

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What quilt!? It's not her fault. Any professional who makes her feel guilty ought to be sued!

As ususal Lajawab, your comments have left me speechless. :rolleyes:

As Boss has suggested, personally, I think your friend should get some counselling. First of all, this was not her fault. She is a victim in all of this. Just because the uncle appears to have repented on the outside, who knows what devil still lurks inside of him. It is not wise to assume that he is sorry just because he has changed his lifestyle and “looks” as if he is a good Muslim now. That really means nothing as it could be an act. If he molested your friend, only god knows if he harmed his own daughters or anybody else in their youth … anyway … that’s another story that we know very little about.

Back to your friend … as I said, this is not her fault. I understand why she would be feeling ashamed of herself as our community places so much emphasis on womens’ chastity and purity. Due to what she went through in her childhood, she doesn’t think of herself as ‘clean’ and probably does blame herself for not getting over it as the uncle “appears” to have.

Talking to a professional about what she went through will help her deal with this kind of emotional distress. To me, it appears as if your friend is suffering internally which is what drove her to confide in you in the first place. She should talk to a professional who will help her deal with this and confront the issue head on. If she doesn’t want to talk to her family about it, she doesn’t have to. However, I do think that she should talk to somebody who is experienced in dealing with these kinds of situations.

However, if your friend decides to put this all under the rug and keep it in the past, she will not be dealing with what happened. She needs to confront the issue in order to move on … or else it may end up terrorizing her forever.

This will also affect her marriage life and intimacy issues. That’s why I think it would be in her benefit to talk to a professional about this, otherwise it will always be there with her … affecting her life negatively. No doubt, this kind of trauma will be with her regardless of whether she seeks professional help or not. At least if she does get some help, she will be able to pull herself together emotionally and really build meaningful bonds with men in her life. Right now, I highly doubt she is able to do that.

^^ the way our society is.. lajawab might be onto sumthin..
however, since u say ppl praise him an all.... if she says sumthin against him, us Desis will probably raise an eyebrow the girl rathar than the man... ke us lrki ne apne app o bachaya nahi, an in the end.. they will blame her.. desis ARE like that...an his man... he will get his.. he has daughters too.. an ALLAH na kare ke unhe us aadmi ki gunahon ki saza bhughatna pare.. but i think.. rathar thangoin to psychiatrist or anything. if she really needs to confide into someone... its her mother... no need to keep facing an meetin gthat man when u shouldnt have to.. an u kno parents.. the most wonderful an amazing thing about them is no matter what they will alwayz take a stand for their child.. no MATTER what... so if she cant tell any1 she shud tell her mother...

I know how she feels...

Telling parents isn't as great as everyone here is saying...sometimes it'll make you feel worse...I regret ever tellin my folks about it.

As for marriage...tell her..there are soem good decent men out there...who respect a woman and can love them enough without havingto touch them before marriage...once she feels secure with someone the physical issue will go away...and ofcourse she should tell him about her past...will help him to deal with her more gently.

The past will always haunt you...therapy and what not...it's all crap...it pops up in yor mind at the wierdest times..on the bus, at school...whilst writing an exam...or even when you hold a child near you...it cannot be forgotten..only accepted...

Thefeeling that you're dirt...garbage...used...it won't go away...unless you got people around you who will love you unconditionally...but like that's possible...

Prayer is my only solace...as confident as I am everyday...inside I lack basic self respect...thats something she needs to work on...tell herslef that she's worth it...that she deserves the best...always make her feel wanted...loved...appreciated...no matter how many awards or acclaimations..nothgin can substitute love...care and understanding...

Be the best friend you can to her...appreciate her for the loving, kind, generous person that she is...make her feel special and wanted...:)

Lajwab you have any idea how it feels? Have u gone through such a situation ever? And no she doesn't have to forgive him if she doesn't want to!

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As for marriage...tell her..there are soem good decent men out there...who respect a woman and can love them enough without having to touch them before marriage...once she feels secure with someone the physical issue will go away...and ofcourse she should tell him about her past...will help him to deal with her more gently.

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Yea if she can tell her fiance/guy before marriage there's nothing like it and if he turns out to be jerk too then its better she never gets married to him.

Forgiveness is the best balm in many instances…And Allah :swt: promises revenge for those who are wronged if you leave the revenge part to Him…Allah :swt: makes sure wrongdoers pay for thier wrongs…

But if the man has truly repented, and your friend has forgiven him, there is nothing wrong in that…Both parties’ honor is safeguarded and unnecessary heartache is avoided…

If the man has repented with true intentions, his sins will be forgiven, however if your friend does not forgive him and leaves the justice part to Allah :swt:, Allah :swt: will extract justice…

But to bring it out like that will bring heartache to a lot of people…There was no harm done…Mental hurt and such is all nonsense…

Even if she did all that like everyone is saying, like bring it out in the open and tell someone, will that change what happened? The only added thing would be the fact that something that could have been a secret is now out in the open forever in front of everyone…

[Edit] ‘him’ should be capital…:mad:

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really? I think that the victim will disagree..

anyways back to the topic..

there are 3 issues as I see it

1) her being able to deal with the past
2) going public with the story
3) getting some justice

now all 3 are inter related and dependent on one another to some level, but she can see soemone who could help her thorugh the mental anguish she is facing and help her regain some self esteem and sonfidence.

2) going public is tough, in our society especially for women, this crap happens more than we hear about it, One of my very good friends was molested by an elder when she was visiting pakistan, and before soemone gets on teh bandwagon of she was asking for it, this is a 5 waqta namazi hijabi girl who is extremely modest..she told some elders and it was ahuge family fight, no legal stuff but the good thign was once this happened soem other victism of that guy spoke up too, however they kept it all in the family, more for the sake of teh girls. I know another girl who was molested by her own uncle, told her mother but hr mother blamed it on the girl instead i.e. u must have done somthing etc etc. or you are talking nonsense..

3) unless it is brought i the opne, there is not going to be any justice via law or humiliation of the perp. One can hope that teh guy wioll pay for his actions one day.

so I will highly suggest she atleast go for #1, #2..maybe talk ot her parents at the minimum, #3 is upto her..but who knows how many other girls this guy is hurting while everyone else he has molested stays quiet for teh sake of her own "reputation"

btw, the second girl in the example is a very dear family friend of mine, and her husband knows all about her suffering, he was pretty set on kicking her uncle's ass himself, but the uncle kicked the bucket before the confrontation.

Tis better to forgive…but after you’ve taken his head off with a hockey stick…thats what I did :k:

Lajawab, thats the worst piece of advice Ive heard. Please, never become a shrink.

forgiveness is the best option and leave rest to Allah.

*Sadi Sobi, personal insults are not allowed. Please be careful not to use such language towards other Gupshup members, even if what he said was totally stupid and uncalled for.
Thank you,
Irem
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HB, like everyone else has said, she * does * need to speak to some1 professionally, or she'll never be able to move on. She'll never forget her past so she needs to adapt ways of dealing with it. She needs to quit blaming herself and realise that she‘s the innocent party in all this.

Our society is extremely sh1tty to girls when it comes to sexual abuse - often the girl is blamed for either making stories up or acting in a provocative manner. Whether or not she should tell her parents really does depend upon her relationship with her parents. If her parents are going to place the blame on her and brush things under the carpet then there's no use in telling them.

However the down side of her keeping quiet is the fact that this guy’s behaviour will go uncovered. It worries me that he has 3 daughters in the house and is free to roam streets full of kids. Just cuz he's grown a beard and has apparently become all pious does not mean he's changed. The religious act is probably a direct result of his guilt - just a cover up.

Zain, fluck the next life, he should be made to pay in this one.