My email to Newsweek...

Dear Sir/Madam,

I would like to bring to your attention two stories written by Mr. Jon
Meacham: First was the “The Birth of Jesus” (Dec 13) and the second
being the latest “From Jesus to Christ”(March 28th).

In the first article in his bid to display the importance,
significance and historical impact of the person of Christ, he goes
deep into history to dig up texts and quotes from literary pieces and
writers to signify the position that a virgin birth would have upon
humanity. He dives into various religions and mythologies to come up
with the significance of a virgin birth and what it portends for Jesus
as a messianic figure.

In the second article, he delves into the historical instances and
characters that concluded with the result of Jesus being given the
title of a saviour. In this article he dips heavily into Judaism to
display where Jesus lay in the context of that faith’s teachings.

It was apparently very noticeable in both articles the absence and
exclusion of the one and only faith besides Christianity that holds
Jesus as Divinely inspired from God: Islam.

It was quite astonishing to see such a grave oversight considering the
importance and respect that Islam places upon Jesus and his teachings.

I believe, that a person like Mr. Meacham who claims to be a religious
correspondent for one of the world’s leading news magazines, should
not have left out the significance of Jesus from the world’s most
fastest growing and influential yet misunderstood religions of all
time.

I would be more than happy and willing to oblige Mr. Meacham about the
importance of Jesus in Islam with whatever little knoweledge that I
possess.


I guess by now you have figured out why the email was written…

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part of the green bumber sticker on my car reads the following:

Read about Jesus in Quran

http://www.irf.net

I’ve seen the wonders of that sticker and the attention it seeks from Christians. Curiosity of people made me explain what Jesus:as: is in Islam.

Lajjo: may ALLAH:swt: reward you for that :slight_smile:

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Lajo, you missed the opportunity to offer to write an article on Jesus for Newsweek (you could’ve copied what I wrote a few days ago in General). From Islamic point of view, that is. Also, you could have included the wonderful treatment meted out to Christians in your motherland. You may take Jesus as prophet of Islam, but Christians don’t think that that is the case, and Jews don’t consider Jesus a prophet to begin with. His only connection to Judaism is that he was a jew (yeah yeah, I know you know it).

Because crying like a baby every time someone writes something from his or her own perspective is not really very fruitful. Muslims are called crybabies because of people who hold views like you.

There will be other opportnities to write for Time/Newsweek. You can write about the capture of the new Bin Laden’s pig (Libbi) in Pakistan, and how terrorists like the Al-Qayda pigs are so so removed from the teachings of Lord Jesus, the son of God.

:jhanda:

p.s. Write something for Gupzine to get some practice writing.

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I hold no degree in Christianity nor is it a subject I have studied in depth, but I have read the Bible…Both the St. James and the RSV…

You and Seminole seemed to be hinting at something that happened during the BC and later years…

The Christians had been progressing, as Seminole put it, by coming up with bizarre and weird methods of torture…

All this time, it was the Khilafat which had preserved the peace and tranquility of the Muslims by giving them a sense of direction to take…

If the Inquisition, the wars of greed-driven bloodshed between the empires of England, Portugal, France, Holland and Spain in which thousands died, then the 1st world war, then the II, then the slavery, the Vietnam war, Pol Pot, are not enough to bring you to your senses, then what is? I am missing a million other incidents…

Compared to the devastation brought upon this earth by western ideologies of a false sense of security, which lead to fear, then hatred and ultimately ignorance…This ignorance is draped with lies, deception and smiling anchormen…:slight_smile:

Seems that everytime someone has a brilliant idea in the west, millions die…

The Communists decided, “oh look! It works for us…Let’s give it to others…”, millions die…

Then the Nazis with what they thought was right…Again, millions died…

Now, that same ‘works for us’ ideology is at work again…It’s draped in carefully rehearsed words that come out of Dubya’s mouth…It’s called Democracy and it’s sights are now set on Muslim lands, meaning you and me…(By you I mean the reader, not the Qadiyani)…

Muslims take heed of past lessons, and the lessons from Musa :as:, the Children of Israel and the Pharoah guide us well too…

If Osama Bin Laden is a hero to many, who hold him in high regard, then there should be need for afraid to take precautions…Insulting him would only lead to more misunderstandings, and your calling him a pig doesn’t have any desire to wrong a right in it…

Since the initial topic was about Hazrat Eesa :as:, and since you have so much insight into, you might be aware that the leaders of the Jews considered Eesa :as: to be an illegitimate child…

Mr. Meacham himself in one of the articles mentions where in the Bible itself a Jew elders says to him ‘At least we know who our fathers are’…They spread rumors about him and pointed at him when three times being asked by Pontius Pilate ‘what has this man done?’

The elders whispered to the masses, and Eesa :as: became a dead man walking…Sent to death by the same people he had come to as a Prophet to liberate…

So Madhwanee, we Muslims take our time before we get ready to hurl stones at someone…Our religion tells us to consider a lot of things most spiritual before we act…Our actions are not meant and designed to move for greed…We are Muslims…

P.S. In the link click on ‘Infernal Device’…

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If the Khilafat was so great, then why did it die? Or are Muslims better served if ruled by a caliph/dictator like Saddam? You seem very keen on saying the millions died as a result of Western agressions. So tell me, did no one die with the spread of Islam and its empires?

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Chaak kar dee Turk-e-NaadaaN naY khilafat ki qaba
Saadgi Muslim ki dekh, auroN kee aiYaari bhee dekh :slight_smile:

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Since you are asking me, why don’t you tell me about Islamic aggressions? ANd why they happened…

If you tell me, I’ll share my opinion about Jihad with you…

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Islamic agressions happened because Muslim leaders were greedy and wanted to spread their government. They took the name of Islam as their religion but in reality just wanted more power. That's one of the ways Islam spread. Millions have died under the Ummayads, Abbasids, not to mention the millions of innocents killed when the Wahabis were taking over Arabia. Muslim leaders in India were known to kill Hindus, Sikhs and even the minority Shia Muslims.

And I would love to hear your justification for all of these.

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Look, whenever you are talking about history, it's best to bring your sources with you...

If I say that American servicemen are killing Iraqi children, would you believe me or ask for a source...

Who are saying such things? From what era are they? Do they have an agenda? Is there hate involved?

Let me know such things...Or is it you who believe that...

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So you're telling me that no Muslim empire has killed anybody with the quest to aquire more land and power? That's a pretty bold statement and I hope you can back that up. As for bringing more sources give me some time, it's about 1230 am so I should be getting some sleep, but maybe I'll give you one source before I go.

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With the ferocious zeal of a “divine” mission, aimed at terminating what they perceived as the filthy polytheistic scum of Arabia, the Wahhabi army led by Muhammad ibn Sa’ud first destroyed graves and objects in Najdi towns and villages that were used for what they condemned as “polytheistic practices.” The Wahhabi movement mustered supporters who rallied behind their cause, increased the size of their army, and successfully united most of the people of Najd under the banner of Wahhabism by 1765.

The assault and “jihad”of Wahhabism did not stop after the death of Muhammad ibn Sa’ud in 1765, but continued with unrelenting and barbaric force under the leadership of his son, Abdl-Aziz, who captured the city of Riyadh in 1773. Muhammad Ibn Abdl-Wahhab died a year earlier but left four sons who continued spreading Wahhabism and strengthened the Wahhabi family’s alliance with the Al-Sa’ud {31}. Later, in 1801, the Wahhabi army marched to Karbala with a force of 10,000 men and 6,000 camels {32}. Upon reaching Karbala, they mercilessly and indiscriminately attacked its inhabitants for eight hours, massacring about 5,000 people. Moreover, they severely damaged Imam Hussein’s mosque, looted the city, and left the carnage-laden city with its treasures on 200 camels {33}.

[31] Safran, Nadav. (1988). Saudi Arabia: The Ceaseless Quest for Security. Cornell University Press: Ithaca, NY. Pg. 12.

[32] Ibid., Safran. pg. 11.

[33] Bagot, Blubb, Sir J. (1961). War in the Desert .New York: Norton. Pg. 44.

For more on the rise of Wahabism and the innocents who were killed along with it you should consult Stephen Schwart's excellent book: The Two Faces of Islam
He details it very well and uses excellent and credible sources. Most of what I stated earlier cannot be disproved because all historians (Muslims and non-Muslims would agree with me on those points. Muslims are not angels. We have killed innocents before, we kill innocents today, and we will kill innocents tomorrow. As for you saying if they have an agenda or if they have hate, you seriously need to stop being so paranoid.

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Well, I would try to explain things to the best of my abilities, if you promise to behave respectfully, then I’ll do it without intent of malice :insha: on my part…

Islam is based on two things…

Rights and Laws regarding those Rights…

They include the rights from your father to the animals under your care…If those Rights are ignored then injustice happens…

The Germans were truly the most immaculate race of their times…The most refined, advanced and disciplined society on the face of the earth…But their actions were not based on any rights regarding the minority amongst them…

Islam has rights regarding the minority amongst them…What would be rights regarding minorities in Hinduism…

I will :insha: search out a letter that the Holy Prophet :saw: wrote to the Christians of some Muslim city…

Wahabbism (or Salafism as I like to call it) is a belief that makes sure that the Laws regarding the Rights are enforced so that injustice doesn’t occur…

And who the hell is this Shwarts? A Jew? They disbelieved in, sold and killed their Prophets so we don’t trust them…They hate Muslims…

And Mr. Narenda Modi sahab, you are most welcome here as a Hindu as you will be as a Muslim, as long as you behave:D…So you can log on ModiN, it doesn’t matter who you are…

Che, I sent it to their email that is meant to be printed in the magazine…

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Glad you have made a good rapport with Che and Vice Versa…Keep it up…:k:

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I know that Islam forbids the killing of innocents but I am not discussing what Islam says or doesn't say. I am discussing the actions of Muslims past and Muslims today and the atrocities they committed against innocents. As for your comments about Schwartz, it really shows the racist and low character that you have.

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Low or high character…I don’t see any condemnation coming from you for Dubya when he praised Sharon as ’ a man of peace’ despite knowing the atrocities he committed in Sabra and Shatila…Or when Jerry Falwell called our Prophet a terrorist…

I called a Jewish writer who has no historical backing of facts as mistrustful, so now I am a racist and a low mentality person…

Well, I guess judgements are made on experience and knowledge, and you judged me depending on yours…:shrug:

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Well first of all he is not a Jewish writer. I've met him once and he told me that he doesn't believe in Judaism, but finds Sufism very interesting. Have you read his book? Can you disprove anything he said in his book? You haven't disproved anything I said, so you probably can't.

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You can disprove facts with facts not fiction with fiction…

And who cares about Sufism? I was a Sufi…It’s all croc…

If you wish to be a follower of western ideologies, then be my guest…I am not here to disprove anything, just to present my side of the story…You’ve been fed so many lies that difference of opinion sounds like anarchy to you…

Yet, you still keep on believing what the western media tells you, despite their ravenous and greedy past…

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It's not western media, it's history books written by and agreed upon by both Muslims and non-Muslims. But you haven't said anything yet of substantial merit and you go back to your normal cop-out of "lies by western media". I told you before, you need to stop being so paranoid. Please give me some references to your claim that Muslim empires killed no innocents in their expansion for power. So far you've been judging Schwartz on whether he's a Jew or a Sufi, but not judging based on anything else.

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Christians and western history do not believe in the Islamic version of Jesus' life any more than you believe the Biblical account. The Islamic perspective wouldn't be any more relevant to a Newsweek story than the Biblical perspective would be at your madrassah lesson. While you believe the west has been fed lies, Christians are just as sure you have been fed lies and have adulterated their prophet, negating his message with a subsequent prophet that went against his teachings.

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Yeah, and the westerners also believe in some of the Jewish accounts of who Jesus was, result of a Roman soldier raping Mary (naoozobilah)…