Re: my condolence for all those who got massacred today in lahore, while praying !
im willing to admit the faults of my forefathers (darbars etc) but the forefather reference is really aimed at the hedious lies which are being exposed everyday. yet you carry on in your support of your born into sportsteam
its linked to subject because im just wodering if you are going to continue to irk the believers in the future
Re: my condolence for all those who got massacred today in lahore, while praying !
one of my very close friends here told me 14 of his relatives have been shaheed :( bohut afshos ki baat hai, he also told me that after the attacks at the masjid, gunmen went to the hospital, where there were some survivors in the intensive units ans OPENED FIRE AT IN THE HOSPITAL
i myself am not a Ahmedi, lykin it hurt my as much as it would hurt them, this is awful, teek hai there belifs are a little diiferent than ours but different sects have different belifs
sunnis and shias differ slighty, Ahmedi does to
mudering someone is HARAAM and i hope the pay in this life and the next
Re: my condolence for all those who got massacred today in lahore, while praying !
no one doubts that the whole pakistani nation was upset about these attacks.
and EVERYONE condemned them.
Pakistani policemen were actually martyred.
but which agenda are ahmadis trying to promote by painting this as an "anti-ahmadi" incident? even a small kid knows that we're having blasts/attacks all the time in Pakistan now. and this is part of the same string.
can't these ahmadis lose a single opportunity to further their agenda? don't they even have respect for their own dead?
Re: my condolence for all those who got massacred today in lahore, while praying !
when there was the attack on the ashura jaloos - Shia and Sunni molvis UNITED and condemned the terrorists and prayed for Pakistan.
when there was an attack on the ahmadi worship-place - they started bad-mouthing pakistan.
go figure. doesn't take einstein.
but which agenda are ahmadis trying to promote by painting this as an "anti-ahmadi" incident? even a small kid knows that we're having blasts/attacks all the time in Pakistan now. and this is part of the same string.
so you are saying that this was not an anti-ahmedi incident and the attackers had no clue about the background of the people at the mosques? dont see many uber right winger wahabi leaning mosques attacked 'at random' ... so i would assume its targeted and when it is targeted it is anti someone. be it anti-shia, anti-ahmedi, anti-police, anti-military... almost each time there is an attack some group is a target. There may be some random attacks at busy places just to turn people against govt for failing to provide security, and those attack are anti someone to, anti govt, anti-pakistan, whatever.
Re: my condolence for all those who got massacred today in lahore, while praying !
this was not an anti-ahmadi incident because sunni moqsues, shia majalis have also been targetted. and so have many govt. institutions.
the idea was not to kill ahmadis because they are ahmadis. the idea was simply to spread terror in pakistan.
Re: my condolence for all those who got massacred today in lahore, while praying !
so in your view the killers did not care who prayed there or did not know?
and are targeting a group and spreading general fear mutually exclusive?
could something not serve two purposes at the same time? go after a specific group while terrorizing the nation in general..
when they attack police for example, is the attack not anti security forces and also designed to spread terror in general.
cant cops say that the attack was anti-police ?
Re: my condolence for all those who got massacred today in lahore, while praying !
mr X2 - you're not getting my point. all i am saying is that the killers very well knew they were doing this in an ahmadi worship-place.
but their aim was not to kill ahmadis. their aim was to spread terror in pakistan.
how come when sunni mosques and shia majalis were attacked they did not play the "Anti-shia" and "Anti-sunni" card?
all these attacks are anti-pakistan. which by default includes anti-police, anti-army etc.
surely something can serve two purposes. but what is evident here is that this is part of the string of bombings/attacks we have been seeing for past many Months.
^^ It is pretty clear that they targeted ahmidi mosques. both ahmadi mosques attacked at once. You are saying that it is part of wave of terrorism faced by pakistanis but it could be that anti-ahmidis used the 'wave of terrorism' as a cover to get their purpose. and this hypothesis has weight since there were threats against ahmadis not just phone calls but posters at conspicuous places that openly incited hatred against ahmadis.
so called religious organizations openly hold anti-ahmadi rallies in lahore and elsewhere and nothing is done against them. Actually they were openly saying that government officials have pledged to support them.
People can come on any public or private channel and openly call ahmadis as wajib-ul-qatal and nothing is done against them by the state of pakistan
and you are telling us that it was not an anti-ahmadi incident. Though this was a first incident that caused that much casualties but incidents small or big have been happening even before the wave of terrorism hit pakistan.
kchughtai - i have all the sympathies for those ahmadis who were killed - loss of innocent human lives is strongly deplorable. i strongly condemn these attacks.
please tell me one thing: your community is Very organized - everyone knows this. why didn't you guys arrange for security if you had gotten such threats? i've seen the motorcades around the khalifa's car when he travels. why not let few people guard your worship-places where thousands allegedly came to worship?
and is it true that you guys did not allow the police to enter your worship place initially? (I know normally non-ahmadis are not allowed inside).
FYI I heard response of your khalifa who is denying that this is a result of clash between the 2 ahmadi groups. you know what, i am not so sure. that is a possibility as well which you guys need to consider.
Regarding religious rallies, you are missing a key point: Ahmadiyat is a fitna. Those beliefs are kufr. It is the duty of Muslims to educate about this.
you guys need to read Mirza's books, see what he has to say, and call yourself Ahmadi if you truly agree. Unless you've done that, you shouldn't really call yourself Ahmadi as you've no idea the kind of vile blasphemy you're implicitly defending.
Ahmadis are doing blasphemy against Islam, Muslims are calling them wajib-ul-qatal. Cause and Effect don't you think?
on another note: Have you ever read Mirza's books?
Re: my condolence for all those who got massacred today in lahore, while praying !
kchughtai - i've personally spoken to a few ahmadis and believe me they know nothing about what is written in Mirza's books. all they know is that they were born Ahmadi and they continue to follow footsteps of their forefathers. they don't know that Mirza has explicitly called himself superior to the Prophet (SAW). Nauzubillah.
This is a sincere message - get a hand on those books, open them, and read them. And read the Quran and Sunnah - and then decide if you really still think you are an Ahmadi.
don't just blindly follow the herd.
I have even read thru part of the proceedings of the National Assembly - questioning of Mirza Nasir - as a result of which Ahmadis were declared Non-Muslim minority. The guy is so confused, so self-contradictory in his statements, so apologetic, and so trying to hide the truth in Mirza's books - it is very revealing.
This thread has served its purpose.