My Brother The Islamist

Zarvan_Ali · April 12, 2011, 10:00am

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O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends of one another. And whoever of you takes them for friends is (one) of them. Surely Allah does not guide wrongdoing people." [5:51]

hareem01 · April 12, 2011, 10:00am

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So what is your understanding of this verse and hadith?

Zarvan_Ali · April 12, 2011, 10:00am

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O you who believe! Whoever of you becomes a rebel against his deen, (know that in his place) Allah will bring a people whom He loves and who love Him, humble towards the believers, harsh towards the disbelievers, striving in the way of Allah, and not fearing the blame of any blamer." [5:54]

Zarvan_Ali · April 12, 2011, 10:03am

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that Means if a non muslim attacks Islam or attacks Muslim make hate him and make him part of history butt that doesnt mena you start killing every non Muslim for those non Muslims who doesnt harm Muslims and attack Islam we only have to preach them Islam if they want to accept thats awesome but if they refuse than ALLAH will take on them its not your job and we cannot also speak rubbish about Mushrikeen Idols thats strictly forbidden

hareem01 · April 12, 2011, 10:06am

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The correct translation is "patrons" not friends. Please see the Arabic text.

Zarvan_Ali · April 12, 2011, 10:12am

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I know the word which is used in Arabic have lot of meaings which also include patrons friend and partners and allies

hareem01 · April 12, 2011, 10:12am

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.

Zarvan_Ali · April 12, 2011, 10:13am

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there is not a specific word in english to describe that Arabic word

Zarvan_Ali · April 12, 2011, 10:14am

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(The most firm bonds of belief are: Supporting others for the sake of Allah, showing enmity for the sake of Allah, loving for the sake of Allah, hating for the sake of Allah the Almighty ) (Sahih Aj Jame' 2539). its actually the name of Sahih Bukhari

hareem01 · April 12, 2011, 10:14am

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That's why you should ask those who know Arabic and English.

hareem01 · April 12, 2011, 10:17am

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Right. I agree what you said. You said if they attack Islam, what does this mean?

Because in Quran in chapter 4 verse 75 God has allowed us to fight only if we are being oppressed or if some tyrant leader is oppressing others.

And also it doesn't mean that any average joe can wage a war against them, it has to be authorized by the government of that state or country.

Zarvan_Ali · April 12, 2011, 10:18am

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[quote="hareem01, post:127, topic:239287"]

Right. I agree what you said. You said if they attack Islam, what does this mean?/QUOTE
do Blashmey or do kind of things which Terry Jones has done or salman rushdie has done that is what i mean here

hareem01 · April 12, 2011, 10:21am

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Okay, Terry Jones and Salman Rushdie both don't live in countries where there is a law against blasphemy so charging them with this crime is out of the question. So I don't understand what is your argument?

Zarvan_Ali · April 12, 2011, 10:29am

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this law is for every one what is if they dont live in a muslim country we will make part of history in their countries when muslims conquered makkah they killed those blashmers who used to do blashmey salman rushdie and Terry Jones knew very well what kind of love we have for our PROPHET MUHAMMAD SAW and QURAN still they did they wanted to check us and INSHALLAH one day the will get there answer

hareem01 · April 12, 2011, 10:36am

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which law?

But Quran doesn't say that. (i think you mean killing by "making them history")

proof?

what do you mean? what will you do? And who are "us" and "we"?

Zarvan_Ali · April 12, 2011, 10:43am

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from us means Muslims who are ready to sacrifice everthing for Islam and I will give your proof butt also read for yourself there have been many people who have been killed for blashmey and as there was no Quran in book form in the life of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW no one thought of burning the Quran

hareem01 · April 12, 2011, 10:47am

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But how can killing Terry Jones or Rushdie benefit Islam or Muslims? Do you think people will embrace Islam or will they start hating Islam and Muslims even more becuase of violence committed by mulisms like you?

Zarvan_Ali · April 12, 2011, 10:52am

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[quote="hareem01, post:542, topic:236099"]

But how can killing Terry Jones or Rushdie benefit Islam or Muslims? Do you think people will embrace Islam or will they start hating Islam and Muslims even more becuase of violence committed by mulisms like you?/QUOTe}
it is a dettrent for others if some one wants to accept Islam they will still accept Islam people say 9/11 damaged Islam butt funny thing is according to reports of American News channels number of people embracing Islam has increased in America and Euorpe since the attacks at any way we cant let anyone do blashmey and than get away with it

hareem01 · April 12, 2011, 10:57am

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The rate of hate literature against Islam and hate crimes against muslims have also increased in West. Which world do you live in? So you support 9/11 attacks because it increased Muslim conversions? Aren't you going against Islamic teachings?

So you're going to kill Rushdie and Terry to increase Muslim conversions, seriously are you nuts?

Zarvan_Ali · April 12, 2011, 11:00am

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I dont support 9/11 and sir there were always hate crimes going on they were never reported that time and we will kill not Terry and Rushdie to increase conversion butt for the blashmey they did and for attacking Islam