My 13 year old daughter wants to go for a sleepover.

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You are entitled to your own parenting methods and thought process. However a "kafir" does not make for horrible parent. Yes they may not be Muslim, but that does not make them a bad parent.

For example in our community, we have a handful of Pakistani families who despite being active in the masjid, partaking in their muslim duties, however in their homes there is a bar that would put any "kafir" home bar to shame. Whose eid parties serve open bar. My father no longer attends 99% functions in community as he does not wish to be around this.

Now how would you feel about your kid(s) going to this Muslim home for a playmdate or sleepover, that serves halal meat on holidays with a side option of vodka? Vs "kafir" home? How do you explain then that " oh Muslims don't do that" verse. but at least their bathroom is paak, what about this? Would your daughter not be confused?

Now, I'm not saying that any of these folks are bad parents. I'm not here to judge. Its just an example, that doesnt matter if its "kafir", "english" or a muslim in a pakistani drama, unislamic things happen, its a fact.

I'm a single parent of a 14 year old, have been since the day she was born, alhamdullilah. Growing up I wasn't allowed to even go grocery alone, forget going to a sleepover. However, my parents said "Muslims don't do this, or that isn't halal", etc. those same things don't hold up the same in today's world. I do allow her to go to sleep overs, but only one home. Her friend, whom I grew up with her mother, they live around our home, I know and love that girl as my own and nor are they Muslim, nor do they drink. they go out of their way to make sure to purchase food she is able to eat.

I teach her to respect and care for everyone, no matter their faith or lack of. But that doesn't mean she is allowed To go to anyones home that I don't know. She can have friends over sure. I tell her I have only one of you, I have to hold on tight, ;p maternal guilt is awesome.

Predators sadly lurk everywhere. Families, schools, karate class, families. Sleep overs are scary, but so is just about anywhere. It's just about teaching caution. In my line of work, I see it from many different levels.

It is about compromise and choosing your battles. Teenagers don't just crave independence, but also acceptance and understanding.. They know they are loved. At least that's what I tell other parents, lol, and myself... What do I know I'm just a pediatrician.

Ok, off my soap box. Ia, you'll figure out what's best... But I would avoid saying certain types of people have lack of paak habits... It can be anyone doesn't matter origin.

I do think its important to not fill that in our childrens minds about kaafirs and english people being unhygeinc. I mean theres unhygenic people amongst all communities. I have a muslim friend whose kitchen i wouldnt kmw where to start..! And i also know quiet a lot of white people who own stunning homes and are very clean..even wen i watched big fat gypsy weddings the travellerrs scrub their skirting boards.! I wouldnt think of doing that in my everyday routine n my house is clean. But yee its ur choice to not allow ur daughter to stay. I wasnt allowed to stay at friends houses. When i moved out for uni indid the whole living away from home and staying out late (not doing anything wrong) but just chillin with my girly mates. Just explain to her that its fine for her to go for a day and youl
Pick her up. Not all non muslims are bad parents and neither are all muslims good parents x

Oh and also this whole you dont need to send your daughte to an english persons home to become independent.. This is the attitude as to why alot of non asians fail to understand why some asians cant learn to communicte with other people and be a part of a community instead of confining themselves to themselevss. I like to socialise with everyone i live in a predominatly pakistani community but rarely mingle as their way of thinking is just baffling. If you live in a western country you do have to allow ur kids to mingle and this 'kaafir' friend could also turn out to be a life long friend. My massis best friend is a sikh lady and a white woman. Both of whom she has known for 30+ years.' same with my mum one of her good friends is a white lady, u cnt let religion be a reason to not be friends with someone. If you have genuime comcerns i.e u feel theyre a bad influence in other ways then by all means stop ur daughter x

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My parents allowed me to sleepover. If you want to go into religion, I was allowed to sleepover at Hindu and Christian houses. My friend's parents had Halal food because almost all of us were Muslim. I think you should allow your daughter to sleepover because after all you are living in the Western world. IMO if you want her to live to your rules, you should seriously consider relocating back to your country where this is not allowed.

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It's interesting you point that out. I was never allowed to go to sleepovers, but as a reward for finishing the Quran, my parents allowed me to invite my friends for a sleepover. 5/6 girls I invited came. the 6th one was not allowed to come. I never got a reason for it, BUT not too long before that I was not allowed to sleep over in her home. My parents let me go to her house but then they picked me up late at night. I think may be the parents were insulted and did not see why their daughter should spend the night at our house when I was not allowed to spend the night at theirs. She did surprise the rest of us the following morning, so I guess it all got worked out, but I do think it's not that simple to simply have everyone over at your house. Other parents will notice.

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Yes I was going to say the same thing.

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A few more thoughts on this issue:

I don't want my daughter going to sleepovers. But I have to say that the major concern isn't about abuse. That can happen really at anytime, including daylight hours.

To me it's more about the kind of talk and activities that occur when girls are together for that long. It's like the news. Old school evenings news shows that aired for a few hours every night covered important happenings throughout the world. These days if you turn on a news channel you are constantly attacked by mindless chatter and gibberish, with only a few gems in between. I think teenage girls have similar tendencies. It's better to let them be together for a few productive and focused hours. No need to extend that. They can encourage all sorts of silliness and drama in each other that I'd rather they keep away from.

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As for the non-Muslims are dirty and may have a bad inflluence on my child approach, as I said above, it is inaccurate and hurtful. It will simply make your child feel that you are out of touch, that your priorities are not the same as hers, and that you do not "get" her or her friends.

Oh and for those of you saying, just tell a 13yo "no" and leave it at that, I don't think that is the right way to handle an adolescent. They do need and deserve explanations. They see themselves as nearing adulthood and resent being treated like a child. They do not simply accept decisions without explanations. I think it is right to give an explanation. But it should be a fair and thoughtful one.

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Is this, then, the mindset that allows us to be complicit when women like Asiya Bibi are marginalized for touching a water bowl? God save us from ourselves. I cannot believe the lukewarm reaction to this comment from educated women, with the exception of Hareem's post which resonated with me.

Sounds like this is an issue of mingling with 'kafirs,' not just sleepovers. Not being able to share utensils used by a non-Muslim? Good to know the caste-system is thriving in Englandia.

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^ huh? Almost everyone objected to her xenophobic and close-minded comment about "kafirs."

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I'm work at a public charter school that has overwhelming majority of Muslim students..and let me tell you, the boys' bathrooms are so disgusting, that I was actually embarrassed in front of the plumber last week. These "paak" Muslim boys urinate all over the walls (on purpose), the floors (on purpose) and the toilet paper rolls (on purpose). They then flush paper towels down the commodes and cause them to overflow. So please spare me the cleanliness and kafir rhetoric.

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I used to have the same romantic misconceptions about fellow Muslims. Thing is, simply being born into Islam doesn't make you clean, no matter how loud you sing "pak sar zameen." Simply using a lota doesn't make you 'paak.' If I had a penny for every educated muslimoid who doesn't wash their hands, let alone properly, brings shoes into the house and onto the furniture, places their hand on the bottom of their shoe while sitting cross-legged only to put that same hand on their face/in their mouth, walks barefoot in hotel rooms and then stands on their janamaz, puts their bag on the floor of a public restroom or sink, and then throws that same bag on their bed/pillow where they put their face ...

Granted I'm a little OCD prone, but the above describes violations of basic cleanliness, which you'll be surprised how many defenders of Islam aren't versed (or interested) in. Just loiter by the sinks of your local mosque, and observe how many people actually wash their hands properly with soap. (No, I'm not the toilet police, I just like confirming my worst fears about the human race). Verdict? There is fecal matter everywhere, people. EVERYWHERE.

The issue of lack of supervision/safety is a valid one. My parents were pretty protective of us, but they weren't so strict that they didn't let us spend the day at a good friend's house. I've probably slept-over 3 times in my entire childhood/teens. We were pretty mature kids though, geeks beyond our years, and my dad would always confirm who was going to be there. I don't think it's necessary to completely ban sleepovers if you can help it - I have some pretty awesome memories of goofing around with my best friends, telling ghost stories with torch-lights tucked under our chins. Maybe times were more innocent and asexual then.

What about school camping trips or outdoor education? I would've had one sad childhood if my parents had objected to those. There's a fine line between being safety-conscious and stifling your kids' growth. Let kids be kids sometimes, God knows it only goes downhill from there.

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Aaah, we muslims need to get out of that "we are the bestest" mentality. This is what is killing us. Well described in the above few posts is the mentality I see so much where we restrict our kids so much that we teach them that everyone else is a bad influence.

I don't think my kids are ready for sleepovers. I don't think I'm ready for them to go on a sleepover not because of the muslim/non muslim thing but because I just don't think they need it. Play with your friends but sleep on your bed. That's my philosophy. When they are older, we shall see.

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This.

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Weren't you the one complaining about people judging you because you found your daughter was writing about some fantasy boyfriends? How is your narrow view of people any better than these people?

Hypocritical much?

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I wouldn't be happy teaching my child any sort of negativity against anyone.

We were never allowed sleepovers...and that was that. Humaray yahan aisa nahin hota...that's it.

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My 10 year old dauhters best friend kind of hinted to my daughter that once she moves to her new house my daughter will be invited for a sleepover. Muslim or not, my husband and I will never allow sleepovers for her or my boys. I was allowed them as a child and TBH when I think about the situations I was exposed to and being at a vulnerable age and innocent I don't think it was a good idea on my parents part. Alhamdulillah My sister and I always had alot of fun with our female cousins and relatives but this could have quite easily have been different. Visitng someone with family is different, staying over without parents is a whole different ball game.
My 14 year old recently wanted a sleepover too again we refused and the kids know that sleepovers is not open for discussion ever and they no longer ask. Call me old fashioned but i think ke Maa Baap ke saath jao enjoy karo aur enjoy karo aur ghar wapis.....
If I have anyone over for a sleepover for them then again they may be asked and i would feel obliged to say yes so for this reason we just don't allow them. I don't mind playdates, i am willing to take them out with friends so they don't feel left out.