Re: Mutawatir Ahadith superceding Holy Quran's Ayats
Bro, I think underneath you have nice points however please lets warp back in history. This is not an issue created by the present generations of muslims.
The great Imams or scholars of hadith must have had reason to classify hadith and take a non-muslim POV (as you are refering to it). We do not have any evidence to suggest they took such a POV regarding the Quran.
you know why classification was done
-> separate unreferenced and week ahadees from the mutawatar strong ahadees
and for this purpose classification can't be done without taking non muslim ie neutral point of view
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There has got to be a reason. I think there is no such thing as muslim POV or Non-muslim POV. Its all about authenticity and preservation.
Why did the great Imams not have any doubts about the Quran yet they had doubts about the narrative information available the Sunnah of the Prophet SAW.
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you know this as well
Quran was coming from heart to heart (ie memorized) among most muslims
but ahadees were not coming memorized by many people and after tabeh tabeen , the fitna of generation of false ahadees , creat great trouble
thats the reason , ulma started work to separate ahadees
and again i say , that was not possible without non muslim or neutral point of view
in history , many ulmah had checked quran with non muslim point of view
even many non muslim had also done this thing and found it absolutely true
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Why were they convinced that the Mushaf that existed in their days was not adulterated.
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kindly can you explain it little more
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Personally I think it might be because the Quran already existed in written form from the time of its revelation and there is no significant lapse from its time of revelation to its compilation.
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Quran is not saved due to existence in written form
almost all sahaba had memorized it and passed it to next generations
and that had helped in thoes days when there were no facility of printing etc
no much copies to check every where in the world
and copies takes time to travel to testify
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In case of the ahadith, it was all narrative information spread in the Arabian society but very little was recorded in written form (at least not enough to hold a degree of authenticity). The truth (as far as I have concluded thus far) is that none of the narrative information in the ahadith attributed to the prophet SAW or his companions is certain because none of them were alive when the Sahihs were compiled.
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they were at the degree of authenticity from the time of Hazoor PBUH
what you are confused
is the the word compiled
make sure , at sahihs time , they were classified to separated unreference ahadees to get rid of fitna of generation of new ahadees
otherwise , ahadees were coming in written and memorized form , from the time of Hazoor PBUH
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The ahadith work is third generation muslim work. With a few exceptions maybe all information beyond the second generation of muslims must have existed only in narrative forms in the minds of the third generation of muslims. Imam Maliks work might be the only exception though. Hadith were not written down at their time of occurance. One thing that really depresses me is that though earlier copies of the Quran were preserved no such pain was taken for ahadith literature which was originally used as the foundations for ahadith.
Every original literature has been destroyed and we are only left with attestations of those who claim to have absorbed those original works into their collections.
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bahi meray trust is the most important thing
again here you are not trusting muslim on hadees part
with word
"in narrative forms in the minds of third generation of muslims" although you know ahadees were in the written form since Hazoor PBUH and Allah had promised to save ahadees via saving Quran
and again i say how you trust when they say that the copy in taskant is the original one , that is also come from the mind of these people and tell me how many of you have checked your copy in home with the one in tashkant etc, if only written form shows authenticity