Mutawatir Ahadith superceding Holy Quran's Ayats

[meherealone]

Re: Mutawatir Ahadith superceding Holy Quran’s Ayats

@SlaveofAllaah

Ok tell me if this is possible cross your heart and tell me Quran and hadith can be looked from one pov, well both of the same source well i hope so but if you say of the same source. With that

1. The theme of the Quran and hadith are different
2. The language difference in terms of Quran being eloquent.
   Here i say Muhammad saws is the Prophet of Allaah but with same source the difference was different from Quran and hadith.

i think you are not being able to understand me , and i am unable to understand your point of view

now again i start with simple words

Hazoor PBUH told that Quran comes to him from Allah and these are direct words of Allah and recorded as wahi matlo ( means jis ki talawat hoti hay )

from Quran it is evident that there is another revelation other then Quran to Hazoor PBUH as well and that have been recorded in Hazoor PBUH words for complete explanation and called as wahi gher matlo ( means jis ki talawat naeen hoti )

source of both : Allah

Agreed on this no doubt atleast after reading the Mohammed Azami who has done a great detailed study on Early Hadith literature i.e. hadith compiled before Bukhari and the methodology of combinging the hadith.

But according to the scholars this was never an issue, because Allaah promised will protect the Quran.

No Quran authenticity lies on prophet for sure but it more lies on the book itself. For me to believe in the quran i dont have to 1400 years back similar to going back 2000 years to see if christ was really crucified, i dont have to 1400 yeasr back to really believe there was a prophet because Quran was an eternal miracle of the prophet and that whatmakes me believe that Prophet is the Messenger of God.
So my point of believing in the Prophet is the Quran, and through the Quran i believe Prophet Mohammed saws was the messenger of Allaah, did you get this.

now from your point of view ie believers point of view
now you believe in Quran , so you believe in Prophet Muhammad
and Quran says , obey Prophet Muhammad
if this sentence of quran should remain true
Prophet Muhammad PBUH teachings other then Quranic words should be saved otherwise this Quranic sentences would turn in to false

and by that way , if Allah had saved Quran , Allah had saved ahadees , so that Quran remain true

if you still don’t understand , plz ask , i had tried to explain as simple as possible

Usman saab no one is actually rejecting the hadith your line of argument is wrong we believe Quran is guarded by Allaah you understand what we mean.
Now i will give you an hadith,which was told by prophet in most of the Jumuah khutbah
Khairal Hadisi kitabu Allaah, wa khairal hadii hadii Mohammed saws, wa sharak umuuru mohdasa tuha, wa kullu mohadasatin bida’h wa kullu bidattin dalala wa kullu dalalatin fin naar,
I will only translat the first sentence that is the best of discourse, guidance is the book of Allaah and then the guidance of Prophet.
Now remember in Sahih bukhari its mentioned Hazrath Ali mentioned that i will rule by the book of Allaah, Abu Bakr, Umar all ruled by the book of Allaah that was there oath.
Now if we have to imagine of taking the Quran and Hadith together we are on the otherside

1. We are going against the sayin gof the Prophet
2. Sayings of the Salaf i.e. the righteous predecessors.
   Now the ball is in your court decide whether Quran and Hadith can be looked from one pov and if we can provide me with reference now all the mentioned hadith are sahih.

sorry i didn’t pick you here
plz explain again thanx , i hope you not mind

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Here is one verse in the Quran that leaves no doubt about the validity of knowing what Muhammad, peace be upon him, has ordered to do and the importance of doing it. This is in [surah Al-Mujadilah 58:8]

Again the same holds above and well understand this holds true because Prophet was send as mercy to mankind.

Agreed but with this verse you wanna prove that Quran and Hadith are one and the same and should be given equal weightage then you go agains the hadith of Prophet itself now decide.

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Again your line of undestanding is wrong we are mention regarding Quran being guarded not by denying these verses and denying the hadith please come over it.**

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Yes now this is news to me wasnt Quran thought by the Prophet as he was the best example to follow**

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to the Question that ahadees which contradict the Quran

i just say, we can’t take ahadees as ayat why, ayat can stand alone ( mostly , but some don’t )
but for ahadees , what we say in urdu ( siaqo sabaq ) is necessary before passing any judgement on behalf of that hadees

mostly when we see the hadith which some time looks contradictory with Quran
and checks its background , we always comes that thoes were exception given to some people with , if and buts and thoes can’t be apply generally

ahadees always require more care

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