Mutah [temporary marriage] -- Social and cultural perspective

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code_red ...excellent movie

re: Mutah our own deficent intelligence cannot determine its pros and cons and we need to see what the sunnah is thats why we need a careful examination of the hadith that are for and against it
debating its social aspects is IMHO utterly useless , cuz if its forbidden no matter what we do we cant make it halal ...and if it was NOT forbidden by prophet no human can make it haram
we cannot innovate in religion , no additions or omissions ....
in moderate quantities there is no harm actually benefit] in alcohol consumption , but who can claim its halal ?

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islam comes from Quran AND sunnah

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thats a good point esp. since some people say mutah with prostitute is allowed

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The whole scene is in enlglish, so out all the people here i suspect you should be the last person who wont get it :vivo:

Briefly. The reference to mutah is not about its validity, but the brilliance with which the scene is shot and acted. while watching you will note that weston, though being a british soldier, has a soft corner for this society, culture and people. and he admires the king 's (nawab Salamat ali ) poetry and love for art. So he is presenting king’s image in a positive vein. Thus when commanding officer deduce meaning that Mutah as ‘temporary’
but wesston reluctantly tells him the real meaning.

Through this whole conversation the director has told us how deeply and accurately British folks used to investigate a particular society and cultures before invading it, one of the reasons of the huge success rate.

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I must thankyou all for sharing your intelligent and positivey intutive insight on the subject. I hope we all will be able to understand this topic better after this discussion.

Now i will share my concluding thoughts. It will be rather long and winding and i will have to spare my time for writing it down. So bear with me.

First Of All What I understand after looking at all dimension, That concept of Mut'ah in early days of Islam was a brilliant Idea, purely engineered to save women, girls ( of mosly non-muslim areas) from harrassment and attrocities of Muslim Army... Devised by none other than a genius named Muhammad (pbuh).

Let me explain how :

Throughout the history of mankind you will note that invading army goes out on rampage and cause destruction, looking plundering wealth, raping and molesting respectable women and girls of that area... So on and So forth

But Muhammadan Army was developed and desciplined under strict guidlines ... They were brining message of peace ( Islam means peace) then how could they indulge in those barbaric acts. Few of the most common guidlines were :
not harming civilians , no cutting trees, no destroying religious building and place of worship, no molesting/ raping women etc.

Along with that, the supreme commandar of the army was aware of human nature. The fact That soldiers remain away from comfort of their homes for long time so they naturally need relaxation and fullfil their sexual appetite.

So, this concept was intruduced where they (soldiers) were alowed to have pleasure of intimate company of women, who were willing to provide this service. And soldiers were made bound to pay them. Naturally, these were those women of the society which were not so well off.

So this way, the invading army was restricted by virtue of this law. And they were not allowed to molest respectable women and play hovac with the society.

END OF PART ONE
...To be continued

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^Plz save us from the pathetic excuses of Mutah, they do not make it look better. And it was not devised by Prophet saw.

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PART TWO :

After The demise of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) came the period of Rightly guided Caliphs. During those peiods Muslim society developed and huge area came under muslim empire. Proper govts were formed, Department developed and vast administration was hired to look after the day to day affairs of state. During the Caliphate of Hazrat Umar (ra) the institution of Army came into being and Salaried soldier were deployed to safeguard the boundries ( earlier all the muslim who were physically fit , used to take part in conquests and defense of state ).

Now as the society progressed, many reforms were introduced. One day Umar noticed a women singing gloomy songs upon enquiring he was told that her husband in with the army for quite a long time. Upon hearing this he got upset, as soldier used to remain deputed in far flung areas and they would return home after several months even years. Thus there was a real danger that women could go desperate and commit extreme acts like adultery, and society could deteriorize morally.

After consultations with women as how long they can bear this solitude, this conclusion was drawn that A man Must visit his home after every 4 months.

And thus an executive order was passed and it was made a law.

It is still a governing law on this subject under Islamic Fiqah.

After safeguarding the rights of women. Umar Passed another law by imposing complete ban on Mutah. Which was a primitive Allowence for muslim soldiers and it was not required now; since he had already declared that the threshold of separation between husband and wife would not be longer than 4 months. (earlier it was indefinite, and allowence for mutah made sense).

END OF PART TWO

...To be continued
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PART THREE :

Now here comes the twist in the story.

Shia scholars dispute the authority of Umar(ra). They consider him illegitimate ruler. And they dont consider his rules , laws or decrees binding on muslims.

Fair enough ! :k:

Now Shia scholars declared mutah as perfectly allowed practice … But they forgot to make rules and regulations governing this practice which would ensure that it is not misused.

Mutah, as allowed in shia Islam has many critical flaws :

1. There is no maximum limit for man… even though Quran has explicitly limited man to max of 4 wives. Since God knows man.

2. No compulsion of making this arrangemnt public. :nook: Why someone hides something ? In Islam, Nikah (marraige ) is explicitly a public affair. There is no such concept as secret nikah. you need witness to get married. The compulsion is there to safeguard women against exploitation of man.

I would have appreciated their effort if they have made some form of legislation reqarding this issue and modeled it as modern day ‘engagement’
Where mutah was an islamic sort of license for dating , hanging out. A Islamic allowance for pre-marital but platonic relationship ( as suggested by Moonshiner) which should end up in parmanent marraige some time later. :k:

But sadly, they (shia scholars ) made a blunder : And no one seems to have any rectifying power.

END OF PART THREE

…To be continued

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^ good summary ....but add to that that there is no direct evidence that Ali [as] restarted mutah in his time .....its biggest proponent being abdullah b abbas [ra] who was amongst his supporters , but really none of his other major supporters have been recorded [as far as I know] to have pro-mutah views in Ali's caliphate .....also zaydi shias do not practice mutah
now the matter may seem trivial to us today but in those days ...it must have been a big deal ...we know that when uthaman omitted a couple of "Allah o akbar" from prayer it became a big deal , similarly pro- and anti-Alid factions called each other as deviating from true path and of introducing innovations again mutah was not mentioned explicity as such.
So that leaves us with 3 possibilities
1- mutah was banned by prophet but ban was not completely implemented so umar[ra] rebanned it .....that fits well with the evidence that Ali[as] did not restart mutah as Ali is on record in multiple sources saying that he will NOT follow those parts of the shaykeen 's administration which contradicted Quran and Sunnah ....so its unlikely he wud have followed a ban imposed by umar alone which shias believe]
2- Umar[ra] banned Mutah by himself and all muslims follwed his commandment in contradiction of the Prophet [pbuh] { including Ali[as] ? } without questioning ...given the nature of the caliphate of umar[ra] based on consultation it seems unlikely
3-the hadith of banning of mutah might have been witnessed by some sahaba but not others that led to difference of opinion e.g ibn abbas approving it ] but later more authoritative opinions of umar and maybe Ali ]prevailed and it fell out of favor
i personally think last is the best option

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PART FOUR (Last and final)

I am trying to present an analogy, which might sound quite novel and naive (not encompasing the gravity of this subject ) but i hope some of you can relate to it :)

I live in lahore. People here are quite passionate about kites and kite duels ( called paicha). I hope most of you would be familiar with that. We use special kind of string for flying kite which is quite strong and very sharp. Once kite is stable in the air we go for paicha. Paicha is very interesting and entertaining sport. It make your heartbeat faster as you try to win the fight in the air with lots of techniques.

One of the very basics we learn kite flying include checking the kite, whether it is fit for flying, and checking the DOR (the special string/thread).

Now once we are flying a kite usually a friend or sibling is holding that coil (charkhi / pinna ) on which that string is rolled on. When this Dor is passing through our hands we have to monitor its quality ourselves... Sometimes there is rough knot is there on it , once we see it we cant let it go in the air. If it passes unchecked it would prove to be fatal during the paicha ... Because if our opponenst's string touches it it will cut it in no time, Or it can itself cut the string becasue of its sharpness.

So that that flaw must be check and rectified at the spot, because once this portion of string goes away, there would be no chance of pulling it back. Usually which kite goes higher in the air, it enters into duel one after another, because there are many kites and many strings in th sky.

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Why can't a non-muslim enter into a muta'ah ?

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For the same reason muslima cant marry a non muslim !