Mutah [temporary marriage] -- Social and cultural perspective

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{Please discuss here the social and cultural implication of Mut’ah contract, it benefits and disadvantages for person and the society as a whole. Do not discuss here the validity of Mutah or lack thereof. For that please go to religion forum. Thanks}

At any rate, the day any one of you men are willing to give your daughters off in Muta’a, then come talk to me. Until then, its a practice which really shouldn’t be followed, because it does not give a woman basic rights of dignity that a married woman should get.

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Well its the nice way to go ... But am sure as most of people wud mind giving there daughter in mutta ... its wouldnt matter even if it was halal in islam ( shia sunni) am sure still most of us would mind giving daughters in mutta
This can be related to 4th marriage its halal but is there anyof u who wud give there daughter to a guy who has three wives ...am sure most of us wont ... but this doesnt mean 4th marriage isnt halal ... same goes to mutta most of us wont practice it but this doesnt make it haram ...... actually to my understanding it can control adultery to a great deal !!!

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4th wife still has the same exact rights of the 1st wife. In theory. And those who can't deliver that are ORDERED, yes indeed ORDERED, not to marry more than 1 woman.

Muta'a is a totally different playing field.

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Ok i wasnt trying to say mutta is same as 4th marriage .. I was saying how people wud mind giving there daughter for 4th marriage.... but it wouldnt make it haram ....same goes to mutta ... fathers wud hesitate giving their daughters for muuta but it doesnt make it haram !!!!
Offcourse there is a different of rights !!!!
Abt Mutha not having same rights ... according to my understanding, its makroo with a girl who is never married before and halal with widows and divorced !!!
Its like a Job where u get all benifits with the pay ,... and iternship where u get paid but u dunt get benifits coz its only for a given time period ... Plus if u have a baby in the mutta thats fathers responsibilty to take care of him and u can always change it to permanent Marriage !!!!!

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So, you think Islam views widows and divorcees as trash that they, instead of newly wed virgins, should have to deal with the pressures of seeing a marriage as a JOB???

Are you kidding me? Its called prostitution buddy.

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Okay there u go !!!!!!!
U r saying like am forcing girls to do muta after they get divorced or becoem widow ... NO NO NO ... if they can get happliy married again then what else could one want ,.,....
But one who is divorced and isnt getting married again ,,,, and she rather goes for prostitution isnt it better to have her on mutta atleast she is with one guy for lets say 6 months or soooo .....
IF there is no option of muta and she isnt getting divorced ..... and commit sins like prostitution .... thats worst

Now dont think of Mutta as somthing that shld be praised .... comapred to marriage offcourse one shld go for marriage .... but comapred to prostitution i think mutta is better !

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this is one argument that will never end if your interested in muttah then go to www.shaadi.com and get married or if you cant get married go to www.tryfasting.com…

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^ LOL!

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And how Is it then practised by many? In which form do you believe It still exists. If you take the extreme case of prostituation (as you have refered). HOw else would you describe muta'a?

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Isn’t it kind of a like a legal cover for a the cohabitation, bf / gf system we have in the West? And how the hell can be people be sooo DUMB to compare a wife with a mut’aa? :rotfl:

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This is just the Islamic version of "dating", nothing to get uptight about. Muslim youth in large numbers today date and have sex without nikkah, they might as well make it halaal with mut'a.

I've noticed that Mut'a was quite popular among the Iraqis at my college, but not with the Pakistanis.

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Marriage cant be compared to mutaa ... i woudlnt argue there however a person who did practice mutta might agrue ...

Abt calling it prsotitution !!!!! .... lets say if they are one thing as some of u r saying .... there wouldnt be any need to ban mutta when prostitution is banned mutta automatically gets banned ... which isnt the case
Doesnt matter Umer did it or Rasool s.a.w they banned it later on; it was allowed earlier when prostitution wasnt !!!! If they were same there wont be a need to Prohibit Mutta when Prostitution wasnt allowed
What am saying is there was a time before mutta was banned; when prostituion was not allowed but mutta was .... So they rnt same !!!

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I like this argument :k:

I say same is the case with divorce. Surely, it is the most despised ‘halal’ (allowed) thing in front of Allah. Most of us wont consider this option in our worst nightmares. God forbid.
Our dislike remains constant in ideal condition, but we all know that not in the best of circumstance divorce is the best way out.

Frankly, who cares about theory ? :slight_smile: In my opinion being the 4th wife of man is least desireable situation for a sunni muslim women.

Anything allowed simply does not mean that it is also encouraged.

Look at this way.

Just like Divorce is allowed
but it is most despised arrangement in ideal conditions
Mut’ah is allowed (for Shia )
but mostly frowned upon in ideal conditions

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I think instead of resorting to comments on family members or drawing similarity with prostitution, for a change we should look at this issue in different wane.

I rememeber seeing a recent indian movie staring saif ali khan and pretty zinta, based in sydney austraila ( forgot the name of that movie) In which they decide to 'try out' combined living arrangement for a limited period of time. The reason being

  1. Check out the compatibility between girl and boy
  2. check out if love fades away after some time
  3. see if they can manage resouces and expenditure in an amicable manner or not.

In short, they agreed to live like husband and wife for a certain period of time to check out if things work out or not.

IMO, Mutah concept is very workable for muslims ( who deem it allowed ) in western societies where marraige age is steadily mounting due to changing priorities. i.e university education , career stability and many other personal preferences

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Are you iraqi or paki?

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Pakistani.

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I have heard that the Shia ulema in Iran have ok'd mutta marriages for use in infertility treatments.

For ex. if your wife has old/no eggs you can do a temp marriage whicih then allows the dr to extract eggs from your temp wife....which is then fertilzed with your sperm and put in your wife. then your temp marraige is disolved. Same goes for sperm treatment.

I think it's an interesting use of the temp marriage to resolve a present day issue....most men don't seem to want to leave their wife and it allows them to con't to try/have a child.

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Where was this?

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Check your PM.

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How is it actually practiced? Guy walks up to girl and is like "Damn girl, u is fine, lets get our Mutah on"