Mutah [temporary marriage] -- Social and cultural perspective

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Why don't you try it and tell us? :D

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damn... wots up with the mutah related threads these days? is february like mutah month or something?

a while ago cbc made a documentry about mutah and how its practiced in iran... they portrayed it as more or less prostitution.

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Dating is prostitution as well. Buy a girl dinner and then she has sex with you. Every guy who has dated has in fact paid for sex.

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discuss mutha ??
Its some thing ppl do, If you know what I mean:blush:

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LOL true yet hard to see .... actually dating costs more in come cases coz u have to go to multipe dates !
but i am sure u wud agree that dating isnt always prostitution !
btw i am curious what r ur and Des riechs's religious believes ? u guys sound related like family or something or probably its just that u share same religious believes or i might be wrong in both cases !
wasalam
Aqeel

Abt mutta

some of us agree that mutha was banned after fath-e-makka some say khayber .... people like me wud says Rasool s.a.w never banned mutta 2nd caliph did ... lets disregard who did it and when it happened ... just keep it mind that it was banned at sometime after islam was intoduced

There was a time when Mutta was allowed and prostituion was banned !!! coz prostitution to my understanding was always banned according to all of us mutta was banned at some point which means between the time Islam was introduced and mutta was banned there was a time when mutta was allowed and prostituion wasnt soo Plz dont call it prostitution coz if they were same they wud be banned or unbanned at same time !
wasalam
Aqeel

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Not that I am saying dating is good but dating doesn't always lead to sex unlike the purpose of Mut'ah! :D

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Wrong, prostitution wasn't banned from day one. The prophet began his campaign to free women from prostitution by first making people recognize that these women were humans and not to be treated like donkey crap. In Medinah, in the early days post-migration to Medinah, he found that many men would sleep with prostitutes and then not pay them. So he began by first getting these men to pay the prostitutes.

After it was established that you should give a prostitute enough respect to pay for her services, it was slowly weeded out of practice by placing bans on prostitution. It was a slow process because he coupled the ban with lessons on taking care of the society's women and orphans. Therefore, if you see a prostitute on the street, it is not enough that you throw her in jail and lock her up. If you failed as a society to provide for these women in the first place, such that they're out prostituting themselves, then society is in the wrong by their approach. All this was a gradual weed out process.

Same weed out approach was used for alcohol and slaves.

There is much to "muta'a" that we might not know. Was it reserved for those men who were fighting battles and away from their wives for long periods of time? Was it used as a tactic to taper down prostitution by making men enter into a marriage of sort with a prostitute rather than making it a one night stand? Regardless, considerable evidence shows that it was banned at one point or another and any conflicts in the literature, I suspect are due to forces who wanted to keep the practice around so they could manipulate it.

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What do you mean “for shia”? Did Shia’s get a different Islam revealed to them?

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^^…:omg:…

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[quote="PyariCgudia, post:257, topic:178007"]

Wrong, prostitution wasn't banned from day one. quote]

I wud leave u a question
So u r saying Prostitution was halal in Islam ? lets say for a day or an hour ?
I dunt know we r getting in habbit of mising religion and politics, thats not relevent here thats how i think !

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Shia and sunni have different interpretations at various junctions in Islam.

Both have done good and bad job in laying down rules. For instance Mainstream sunni Scholars have done pathetic job by messing up the perfect procedure of Talaq layed down in Quran. On the other hand Shia scholars have done a good job by making divorce procedure according to quranic injunctions. :k:
But regarding mutah, I think they (shia scholars ) should have pondered more. They have left many loop holes :nook:

Now comming back to the topic.

I think we need to evaluate pro and cons of mutah in todays world and society, rather then digging centuries old cultures.

Today’s youth face many challenges

  1. Long years of study
  2. Raging hormone level, emotions of love desire for sex getting out of control in teenage and in early 20s
  3. Peer presure of being in relationship
  4. society presure of buiding a career

Now, the common answer of these problems by an avg practising muslim would be abstinence, have faith, trust and fear God ..so on and so forth.

But you know and I know and evey young person knows that it is difficult. In some cases very difficult.

Now living in western society we all know that getting married is difficult and costly. So what is the more natural solution of this problem due to which many young muslim resort to un-islamic means of fullfilling their desires.

Now I think Mut’ah is a way out for young people who want to try out combined living arrangement and companionship/ relationship during college/university days. Thus gaining hands on experience on relationship. Finding out Aatey Daal ka bhao and fulfiling their desire through proper channel.

It would be interesting to know Shia muslim girl’s perspective for this arrangement in todays world.

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www.mutah.com has some really interesting and informative articles; a couple of which are from converted women.

PCG brought up the topic of how the Prophet tried to get rid of prostitution gradually, which helps us better understand the origins of mut’a:

http://home.swipnet.se/islam/articles/Temp.Marriage.htm

This article found from mutah.com argues that mut’a was the way the Prophet got rid of prostitution.

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The film was based in Melbourne not Sydney :vivo:

And it was called Salam Namaste

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Who does "that" to donkey? how sick is that??

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^ yeah code red... in the future consult with GS's movie directory i.e. gals from shor sharaba or life1

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ama pehlay to ye bataao meray comment kay darmayan kahan say guss aai baghair ijazat…

doosray ghalat baat nahin karo… pyari si gudia say maar to nahin khani :nono1:

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^kha chuka hoon. now I plan to run.
cut and run winning strategy.

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I guess I would be mixed Sunni/Shia since they are both in my family. If someone asks, I usually tell them Shunni or Sushi which confuses them even more.

But Das and I are not related but I think we may share many beliefs in any case.

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Thanks for letting me know ... I have shia's and sunni's in my family too, but unfortunatelly they dont get along pretty well
Actually all were sunni and alot converted in last genration and genration before that sooo they have issues ... How ever me and my family we respect sunni's alot Specially sunni's who praise Ahleybait a.s
soo good to know shunni and sushii exist .... :)
wasalam
Aqeel

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Marriage is not difficult or costly. We’ve made it as such, and therefore, we need to fix that problem before we go ruining women’s lives (as usual) to satisfy male desires.

You don’t see women running after muta’a. Its practiced pretty much only in Iraq by a minority and they’re male. I’d like to know what kind of muta’a they’re practicing and if they’re even adhering to the early guidelines of it.

You don’t need money to get married - desis need to get over themselves and do a plain nikkah in a masjid (no cost for a hall!). In fact, the cost of a hall and of food saved can be used to pay for personal things like dresses and jewelry. ( :halo: ). You can have a small wedding where you invite 20-30 people. There’s no need to invite everyone and anyone you haven’t seen since you were born.

As for long years of study, maybe its time our desi culture starts opening up to possibilities of marriage DURING schooling. I mean, its completely possible to wait for marriage until after your bachelor’s. If you can’t hold it, then the system doesn’t need changing. YOU need changing.

Hormones can be controlled. Most people manage it. However, part of this frustration isn’t due to late marriages, but strict social guidelines - you can’t even have a bloody conversation with a boy without the entire mohallah calling you a whore. This has to change. Women and men conversed and socialized all the time in the Prophet’s day within reason, and there is no sign that unmarried men and women couldn’t TALK. Dating is different, talking is different. Thankfully, Pakistani society is not as sexually repressed as some arab societies.

Peer pressure of being in relationships - again - you want to change the system FOR people who don’t follow it in the first place? These people’s behaviors should be changed, not the system of allowing women the right to not deal with muta’as. So people want to bully one another, and now you’re ready to subject women to not being respected as normal wives and being subjected to marriages that come with an expiration date, because of TEENAGER IMMATURITY?

I hope you realize that muta’a is less of a picnic for women than for men. Its an open door to an unstable life for a woman, which I’m pretty sure, God tried to protect us against in the first place, as is clear by CLEAR AS DAY Quranic verses.

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