Mutah [temporary marriage] in the time of Amir ul Momineen Ali ibn Abi Talib

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This is more directed to 12er shia bros/sisters
can anyone please post references that Ali b abi talib [as] allowed such a marriage during his caliphate …

plz dont start a sectarian argument over it
I just need any specific refs that Ali b abitalib[as] re-started this in his caliphate after we all know umar[ra] stopped it or renewed the ban [depending on what u believe]

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Good topic. I would like to know, who actually banned It. Was It our Prophet (s.a.w) or Umar (r.a)?! I still couldnt find valid sources for that claim.

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^ brother thats not my question ...whoever banned it is another issue but did Imam Ali b abitalib allowed it in his caliphate ....or restarted it

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This is agood topic, i wud love to have a answer for this question .... I've actually never bother to think this way .... Since Prophet s.a.w allowed it and umer banned it ..... i dun really considered em banned, however it would be nice to know wether Imam Ali called em banned or not ?

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Salam

What I read with regards to this topic; there are Ahadith which state that the Prophet SAW forbade it till the day of judgement. But I guess we differ about the acceptance of such narrations, however here they are all the same :)

It was narrated from ** ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) ** that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade mut’ah marriage and the meat of domestic donkeys at the time of Khaybar. According to another report, he forbade mut’ah marriage at the time of Khaybar and he forbade the meat of tame donkeys.

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3979; Muslim, 1407.

It was narrated from al-Rabee’ ibn Sabrah al-Juhani that his father told him that he was with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) who said, “O people, I used to allow you to engage in mut’ah marriages, but now Allaah has forbidden that until the Day of Resurrection, so whoever has any wives in a mut’ah marriage, he should let her go and do not take anything of the (money) you have given them.”

Narrated by Muslim, 1406

It was narrated from ‘Ali that he heard Ibn ‘Abbaas permitting mut’ah marriage, and he said, “Wait a minute, O Ibn ‘Abbaas, for the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade it on the day of Khaybar and (he also forbade) the meat of tame donkeys.”

Narrated by Muslim, 1407.

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Shia do not consider these three traditions of any authority. To illustrate how they reject them, we can summarize the arguments of al-Khoei. The Hadith attributed to Ali cannot be authentic, since all Muslims agree that Mut'a was permitted in the year Mecca was conquered. So how could Ali have claimed that Mut'a was banned on the Day of Khaibar (close to two years before Mecca's conquest)?! Because of this obvious discrepancy, some of the great Sunni authorities have maintained that the words "on the day of Khaibar" probably refer only to the meat of domestic asses. But this is absurd, for two reasons: First, it is counter to the rules of Arabic grammar: if the phrase referred only to asses, the verb would have to be repeated. Thus, in Arabic one says: "I honored Zaid and Amr on Friday", or one says: "I honored Zaid and I honored Amr on Friday", thus making it clear that "on Friday" refers only to Amr. If the adverbial phrase referred only to the meat, the text of the Hadith would have to read: "Verily the Prophet of God banned Mut'a, and he banned the eating of the meat of domesticated asses on the Day of Khaibar." In short, since everyone agrees that Mut'a was permitted when Mecca was conquered, the Prophet cannot have banned it three years before that. Hence the Hadith is not authentic. (al-Bayan, pp 222-224).
The second reason that the "Day of Khaibar" cannot refer only to the meat of domesticated asses is that this clearly conflicts with Hadith related by al-Bukhari, Muslim, and Ahmad Ibn Hanbal (three of the authoritative Sunni collections). For their versions of Ali's Hadith is as follows: "The Prophet banned the Mut'a of marriage on the Day of Khaibar, as well as the meat of domesticated asses."

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As for the tradition related by Ibn Sabra from his father, al-Khoei points out that although his Hadith has been related by many chains of authority, they ALL go back to Ibn Sabra himself, and thus the Hadith is of the type known as Wahid, i.e., it derives from a single companion. And a Quranic verse cannot be abrogated even by the most authentic kind of Hadith, and thus by far, it can not be abrogated by a relatively weak one. Moreover the very content of the Hadith shows that it is not correct. It is hardly conceivable that the Prophet could have stood before the Ka'ba in front of a large group of Muslims and ban something until the Day of Resurrection, and that then only one person Sabra should have heard him or related his words.

Where were those Companions who recorded even the gestures and the glances of the Prophet? Certainly they should have joined Sabra in reporting the prohibition of Mut'a until the Day of Resurrection. And where was Umar himself? He certainly should have known about the prohibition so that it would not have been necessary to attribute the banning of Mut'a to himself. Finally, there are discrepancies in the various versions of the Hadith of Sabra. In some versions the prohibition is said to have occurred in the year of the victory of Mecca (8/630), in others in the year of the Farewell Pilgrimage (10/632). This discrepancy makes the Hadith even more untrustworthy.

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^Which just goes to show you how unreliable hadith can be. :)

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Shahid al-Thani points out another problem concerning the Hadith of Ibn Sabra. He mentioned Ibn Sabra himself is the only source for his father's words, but no one knows anything about him. He is not mentioned in any of the books on Hadith as a transmitter, nor has any other Hadith been related from him. For this reason al-Bukhari the most famous Sunni authority, and generally considered the most reliable for the Sunnis, left the Hadith of Ibn Sabra out of his collection. (Sharh al-Lum'a, v5, pp 264-282).
As for the Hadith of Salama Ibn al-Akwa, al-Khoei remarks that again it is a saying related from only one Companion (Wahid) and cannot abrogate a Quranic verse. In addition, if it is an authentic Hadith, it is strange that it remained unknown to such important Companions as Ibn Abbas, Ibn Masud, and Jabir Ibn Abdillah. How is it possible for the Hadith to be authentic, while Abu Bakr did not forbid Mut'a during the whole period of his caliphate and Umar only banned it towards the end of his own? (al-Bayan, pp 222-223).
There are many sayings of the Companions which indicate that Mut'a was permitted up until the time of Umar's prohibition. Three of the most famous are those of Ali, Ibn Abbas, and Imran Ibn al-Husain. As we have already seen, Ali said: 'If Umar had not prohibited Mut'a, no one would commit fornication except the wretched.' This is the most famous form of a saying reported in numerous sources and a number of different versions.

The above version is derived from Sunni works; a Shia version is related from the fifth Imam, al-Baqir: "If it were not for that * with which [Umar] Ibn al-Khattab preceded me, no one would commit fornication except the wretched."

The saying related from Ibn Abbas is reported by the tenth/sixteenth century Sunni scholar al-Suyuti in this form: "God have mercy on Umar! Mut'a was naught but a mercy from God, through which He showed mercy to Muhammad's community. If Umar had not banned it, no one would need fornication except the wretched." (al-Durr al-Manthoor, by al-Suyuti, v2, p141).*

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hey pyari ci gudia. how have you been? :) nice seeing ya

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das reich, i am no expert on this but maybe this is what you were looking for

There are many sayings of the Companions which indicate that Mut'a was permitted up until the time of Umar's prohibition. Three of the most famous are those of Ali, Ibn Abbas, and Imran Ibn al-Husain. As we have already seen, Ali said: 'If Umar had not prohibited Mut'a, no one would commit fornication except the wretched.' This is the most famous form of a saying reported in numerous sources and a number of different versions.

The above version is derived from Sunni works; a Shia version is related from the fifth Imam, al-Baqir: "If it were not for that * with which [Umar] Ibn al-Khattab preceded me, no one would commit fornication except the wretched."

The saying related from Ibn Abbas is reported by the tenth/sixteenth century Sunni scholar al-Suyuti in this form: "God have mercy on Umar! Mut'a was naught but a mercy from God, through which He showed mercy to Muhammad's community. If Umar had not banned it, no one would need fornication except the wretched." (al-Durr al-Manthoor, by al-Suyuti, v2, p141).*

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u can read more by going to http://al-islam.org/encyclopedia/ and read chapter 6a.
i just wanted to reply to pink’s post about the ahadith he/she posted

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nd we rnt disccusing the beniffits of mutta here !!!!! The point is did Mohammed s.a.w ban it in his life or not ....
And did Imam Ali took the ban off or not ?

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Coming back to the main question of the thread. Since Mutah was always Halal according to the true teachings of Prophet [s] and Ahlulbayt [as], when Imam Ali [as] became caliph, his actual adherents (the Shias of Ahlulbayt) were likewise deeming Mutah Halal and had not adopted the teachings of previous caliphs, howoever, since majority of the supporters of Ali [as] during his caliphate comprised of the hardline adherents of previous caliphs, thus he did not make changes in any of the decition that previous caliphs had passed and that includes the issue of Mutah, reciting Bismillah etc. while (as said earlier) his actual Shias were still deeming it Halal. The following words of Ali [as] are of relevance as recorded in Al-Kafi:

**"The Caliphs before me intentionally practiced such acts in which they went against Rasool Allah (saww). They broke the promises (which they made with Rasool) and changed the Sunnah of Rasool Allah (saww). If (today) I ask people to leave all these things (innovations) and restore things back to the way they were at the time of Rasulullah (s), my army shall rebel and abandon me, and I shall be left alone. All that shall remain turning to me shall be those Shi’a who recognise my virtues and rank. **

Then he further explained by giving some examples that: “If I return Fadak to the heirs of Fatima(as), and if I order to restore the “SA’a” (a unit for measuring wheat) of Rasool Allah (s). And if I return the properties, which were given by Rasool (s) to their original owners, and deny the decisions which were based on injustice (and tyranny), and snatch the women who were illegally taken by some people and return them to their husbands, and if I deny the (unjust) distribution of Fadak, and start giving the shares to every one equally (as were originally given by Rasool (s), but earlier caliphs started giving according to status), …. and restore the condition of Khums of Rasool (saww), and to bring Masjid-e-Nabi to it’s original position, and to make “Mash alal Khaffin” haram, and to issue punishment (“Had”) for drinking “Nabeedh” (alcohol made out of barley), and give the fatwa for Mut’ah being Halaal, and start saying 5 Takbirs at funeral, and make it obligatory upon people to recite “Bismillah” loudly during Salat … and ask people to follow the Quranic and Sunnah way of giving Talaq, and ask people to give all the Sadaqat, and to restore the way of abulation, ghusal and Salah to it’s original form and time, and give back the fidya (which was unjustly taken) to Ahl-e-Najran, and return the slave girls of Ahle Faras, and ask people to return to Qur’an and Sunnah of Rasool (s), then all people will abandon me (and I will be left alone). I ordered people that they should only gather for Fardh (obligatory) prayers during Ramadhan, and told them that congregation (Jamah) in Nafal (i.e. Tarawih) is a Bidah (innovation) then all of these people started shouting that Sunnah of Hadhrat Umar has been changed.”

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Dont generalize my dear and understand there are many hadiths...since hadiths are more or less "messages" It can happen they vary from person to person (from group to group) and finally this way (unchanged) written down and "published".
Therefore stick to those hadiths you know of their authenticy are given.

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Would you like to tell us the rate at which the first caliph gave his daughter Asma to Sahabi Zubayr in Mutah, which resulted in the birth of Sahabi Abdullah Ibn Zubar? And didnt the caliph know that this was a marriage (like what you said) that does not give a woman basic rights of dignity?

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^ brother boy-nice abdullah b zubair was born before khybar he was born at the time of hijrah

PCG your logic does not makes sense who are we to decide ?

"because it does not give a woman basic rights of dignity that a married woman should get"
all we do is FOLLOW the sunnah of the Prophet[saw]

meray chaarah-gar..
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Bro Das Reich, the sole motive of my post was to anwer the false conjecture of PyariCgudia that Mutah doesnt not reserve the rights of woman blah blah as well as the kind of tone he used in his post. Anyhow, I have answered to the question for which you have opened this thread, I hope you have gone thorugh that.

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Did any sahaba do Mut’a? How about the 12 Shia Imams?

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Yes many Sahabah not only did Muta but deemed it Halal even after umar banned it. Not only Sahabah but famous Tabayeen too had similar position. As for the Imams of Ahhlebayt [as], no one did amongst them.