Well said :k:
Re: Mustafa Kamal - Cruising Karachi - New Horizon
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Re: Mustafa Kamal - Cruising Karachi - New Horizon
Development of Karachi is great news for Pakistan, and a matter of pride for all Pakistanis.
Ethnic terrorism and chauvinism was invented in Pakistan by your people from the land of the five rivers, so don't try to preach to others. No one has forgotten genocide of Bengalis and we have seen with our own eyes what your imported "law enforcers" have done to us in Karachi.
Please do not defame Pakistan Army.
Re: Mustafa Kamal - Cruising Karachi - New Horizon
i thought 'mohajir' was a term used for 'imported non-locals'.
ofcourse he has done alot but it had to be done this way as MQM had to show they are alot better tham jamiats nazim naimatullah khan and he was the one who started this revolution and Mustafa kamal is continuing it...but his attitude my God so cheap Me , i , i as if he is spending his family money.
what was Naimatullah's achievement? There were many other MQM mayors before Mustafa Kamal but none achieved as much.
Captain1:- comparing Lahore's last year 30 billion budget with Karachi's 58 billion is unfair. Karachi has twice as much as population as Lahore and STILL is the largest industrial city in Pakistan. Comparing Rawalpindi and Multan with HYDERABAD would be a fair comparision. Considering the past, when city was deprived of funds, I think it needs more than that since city's civil services infrastructure is in shambles. It doesn't matter who started it, Jamiat Nazim or Mustafa Kamal, it should be continued; and if a phannay khan or a naanBai becomes a Nazim and continues to spends money on civil services and improves basic utilities in city then he has my support.
My point is that person who I quoted complained of Karachi's huge budget and complained about Balochistan budget so I tried to show him/her that Lahore is not too far away so why just cry about Karachi's budget?
i thought 'mohajir' was a term used for 'imported non-locals'.
key words "i thought'.
**No one ..... living in Karachi ...... can deny his efforts ....
He has done more then ppl hoped for .... **
How much does it take to impress the Karachiites?
All the problems that have always afflicted this unfortunate city have ether remained the same or have gotten worse.
How much does it take to impress the Karachiites?
All the problems that have always afflicted this unfortunate city have ether remained the same or have gotten worse.
Are you saying by building these bridges, uplifting city, converting empty-park-plots into actual plots is nothing for city? or did these efforts make city worse? Just curious.
While it is debatable, but I would say that areas where MQM has stronghold ARE the places which make Karachi the most developed city of Pakistan. This is why they need more attention. For example, when it comes to spending money then big cities like Karachi, Islamabad, Lahore should be given preference over Tula Gung. Off course, it does not mean Tula Gung does not deserve anything.
It is highly unethical and anti-Pakistan when people to think in terms of politics and racism.
Its more un-ethical and anti-Pakistan when a political party based on ethnic chuavanism is supported just bcoz it gives your own people some benefit. Does PML-N, PML-Q or PPP go on killing spree of other ethnic groups living in their areas.
And secondly, what is in those areas that are MQM stronghold make them special?
DO they produce Gas?Petroleum?Gold?
Do they grow wheat?Rice?Fruits?
Do they produce electricity?
Re: Mustafa Kamal - Cruising Karachi - New Horizon
The only accomplishment of that racist mayor of Karachi is that he offed some influential rivals of Altaf Bhai and was rewarded by bhai. We all know what a despicable lowlife character he is, openly badmouthing and abusing helpless women and journalists and goes 'youtube par charha video' after doing that.
How much does it take to impress the Karachiites?
All the problems that have always afflicted this unfortunate city have ether remained the same or have gotten worse.
**Don't know about u ...
but before Mustafa Kamal .... it took me 1 hour to reach home frm office .... now i m home in 25 mins with garam garam rotiyaan from tandoor ....
n remember ..... cuz of Auto Loan .... the number of cars in Karachi is almost double
**
i thought 'mohajir' was a term used for 'imported non-locals'.
If "imported non-locals" is what you think about people who sacrificed their lives for this country then it justifies my claim that your animosity is not just against MQM but about EVERY muhajir.
The group of "imported non-locals" you are talking about includes people like Quaide Azam, Liaquat Ali Khan, and several other key leaders of Pakistan Movement. This shows just how anti-Pakistan people like you are. Not much different from Jamatis and JUI, who oppose Pakistan to this very day.
"Imported non-locals"?
Use of this abusive term against a large section of Pakistani society shows that these people criticize not just MQM but muhajirs in general.
On top of that, these anti-Pakistan elements who abuse their fellow Muslims randomly, still consider themselves Super Muslims.
If "imported non-locals" is what you think about people who sacrificed their lives for this country then it justifies my claim that your animosity is not just against MQM but about EVERY muhajir. The group of "imported non-locals" you are talking about includes people like Quaide Azam, Liaquat Ali Khan, and several other key leaders of Pakistan Movement. This shows just how anti-Pakistan people like you are. Not much different from Jamatis and JUI, who oppose Pakistan to this very day.
"Imported non-locals"? Use of this abusive term against a large section of Pakistani society shows that these people criticize not just MQM but muhajirs in general.
On top of that, these anti-Pakistan elements who abuse their fellow Muslims randomly, still consider themselves Super Muslims.
HE was actually referring to the fact that people still continue to call themselves Muhajir when they have bene living in thsi country for 3rd generation. A separate "identity" has alos been one of the ill-sought demands of MQM, aimed at dividing the muslims and people of Sindh. It was none other than MQM which put forward the demand of "muhajir suba" to include karachi and hyderabad.
If "imported non-locals" is what you think about people who sacrificed their lives for this country then it justifies my claim that your animosity is not just against MQM but about EVERY muhajir. The group of "imported non-locals" you are talking about includes people like Quaide Azam, Liaquat Ali Khan, and several other key leaders of Pakistan Movement. This shows just how anti-Pakistan people like you are. Not much different from Jamatis and JUI, who oppose Pakistan to this very day.
"Imported non-locals"? Use of this abusive term against a large section of Pakistani society shows that these people criticize not just MQM but muhajirs in general.
On top of that, these anti-Pakistan elements who abuse their fellow Muslims randomly, still consider themselves Super Muslims.
I did not use that term. It was used for Pakistan Army and Rangers by a brother and the post has probably been deleted for that reason.
but FYI, the term Muhajir translates into that term. If you use 'Muhajir' it is the same as 'non-local'. I would rather appreciate if people stopped calling themselves muhajirs and adopt a Pakistani identity.
Lets get back to the topic, shall we?
Agreed that the term muhajir is not a perfect term. But I wonder what the acceptable alternative should be.
The term "Urdu-speaking" is more outrageous than the term muhajir. First of all, not all "muhajirs" are Urdu speaking. Secondly, reality is that all Pakistan can speak/understand Urdu.
All other remaining terms are simply abusive.
Even though personally, I call myself Pakistani. But when I want to be specific then there is no better alternative than the term 'muhajir'.
Muhajir is a compromise term.
Are you saying by building these bridges, uplifting city, converting empty-park-plots into actual plots is nothing for city? or did these efforts make city worse? Just curious.
Bridges are ok.. But what about all the real serious problema aflicting the city. What about crime and corruption, what about water distribution,what about pwer infrastructre, sewage and waste disposal, mass transit etc etc.
If in all these years the main problems of the city havet been resolved, then ow can he be the best mayor Karachi as ever had?
I just think that Karachiites hae very low standards for their mayors..
Agreed that the term muhajir is not a perfect term. But I wonder what the acceptable alternative should be. The term "Urdu-speaking" is more outrageous than the term muhajir. First of all, not all "muhajirs" are Urdu speaking. Secondly, reality is that all Pakistan can speak/understand Urdu. All other remaining terms are simply abusive.
Even though personally, I call myself Pakistani. But when I want to be specific then there is no better alternative than the term 'muhajir'. Muhajir is a compromise term.
There is something called assimilation, which people are ready to do when they get a foreign passport like kala Altaf did. And thats what people migrating from East Punjab did, who were greater in number than those migrating from UP. What about being called Sindhi, is it derogatory? Uptill 1970 Sindhi and urdu was both taught as compulsory sunjects in Sindh, but, some people through a executive order stopped this.
Re: Mustafa Kamal - Cruising Karachi - New Horizon
Gimme all that money and power captain1, and ill build you better bridges (ones that wont collapse)... Bridges and a few structures don't define a city, no wonder our cities are ranked so poorly in rankings as far as the living standards are concerned. Billboards, bridges, and high shooting fountains (which collapse after a few days, or dont even work to begin with, or get stolen) shouldnt impress us.
Bridges are ok.. But what about all the real serious problema aflicting the city. What about crime and corruption, what about water distribution,what about pwer infrastructre, sewage and waste disposal, mass transit etc etc. If in all these years the main problems of the city havet been resolved, then ow can he be the best mayor Karachi as ever had?
I just think that Karachiites hae very low standards for their mayors..
I agree on crime, corruption, power, mass transit part. Do you believe that all problems can be handled in one go? If he did have a magic stick then I'll join you in beating him up for not doing all that in one go.
If other cities were not suffering from crime, corruption, water/power distribution then Mustafa Kamal should get the beating for not solving these problems while other mayors/nazims did. But that does not mean I do not criticize him for his short-comings, probably he can do much better, can we not give him credit for what he has done? Or do we give credit ONLY when someone has done each and everything 100%? Next you will question about unemployment in the city?
I may be wrong but I don't think Karachi police is in his full control, so he can't solve corruption/crime problems.
Gimme all that money and power captain1, and ill build you better bridges (ones that wont collapse)... Bridges and a few structures don't define a city, no wonder our cities are ranked so poorly in rankings as far as the living standards are concerned. Billboards, bridges, and high shooting fountains (which collapse after a few days, or dont even work to begin with, or get stolen) shouldnt impress us.
Spock bhai its easier said then done. Karachi had many other mayors/nazims in the past, they had money too but they didn't utilize and the money ended up being withdrawn by govts. Structures do not define city but when they do solve problems then you got to give'em some credit for that.
I agree on crime, corruption, power, mass transit part. Do you believe that all problems can be handled in one go? If he did have a magic stick then I'll join you in beating him up for not doing all that in one go.
If other cities were not suffering from crime, corruption, water/power distribution then Mustafa Kamal should get the beating for not solving these problems while other mayors/nazims did. But that does not mean I do not criticize him for his short-comings, probably he can do much better, can we not give him credit for what he has done? Or do we give credit ONLY when someone has done each and everything 100%? Next you will question about unemployment in the city?
I may be wrong but I don't think Karachi police is in his full control, so he can't solve corruption/crime problems.
Spock bhai its easier said then done. Karachi had many other mayors/nazims in the past, they had money too but they didn't utilize and the money ended up being withdrawn by govts. Structures do not define city but when they do solve problems then you got to give'em some credit for that.
Firstly, the nazim system didnt exist too long ago so that would be an inaccurate comparison. Secondly, how can you see development when theres massive chaos in the city thanks to this nazim's ruling party. Kamal's tenure in the city govt was free of political trouble because they had no opposition and his party had sided with the Govt. Its easy to set sail in smooth waters, as opposed to turbulent waves my friend.
Lets identify the real problems. A high shooting water fountain in a city which has absolutely zilch power is not a solution, neither are these collapsing underpasses or bridges. When the ruling party, which runs the organized crime in the city puts an end to this bhattakhoori, corruption, extortion, crime, then you can pat Mr. 'youtube par charha' Kamaal on the back.