Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia
Or you get Waco.
Interestingly enough myvoice may defend Sharia law on a local level if a group of Muslim can charter their own town. I believe he said the fed's should butt out and allow people to practice their religious beliefs without interference.
Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia
i admit muslim countries do no provide these protection but then why do u think we come here? its not just to improve economic conditions but also to practice and live however way we want. agar apnay mulk mein yeh sab hota to yahaN kon ata? and as we pay equal taxes as any other race that exist in these countries, so why shouldn’t we be allowed to practice religion of our choice? actually india never really carried out these laws. it has interfered in various religious rulings and also watched silently when horrific crimes were being occured against muslims and other minoritites. i think the only country that has allowed the real freedom of speech and religious practice is in Canada. as long as it doesnt conflict with charter of rights you can follow sharia or jewish law or which ever religion you belong to. when u target people like that in the country, u r only isolating them more and encouraging disturbing thoughts. if i am a practicing muslim, i chose to follow shaira and i am not harming anyone in any proccess, how is that threat to anyone?
Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia
^ because religion is not just religion per muslims. It involves governance, which is an anathema to western political and economic thought and practices. The two cannot be receonciled. Unless islam can be changed to conform to western ideals and practices. Which would franly be a good thing.
Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia
not every muslim is going out there to harm others either. this law seems to be targeting every average muslim in that country who has been practicing their religion while following the rules of that country.
more like American ideals u shud say. it seems to have worked in Canada though.
Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia
If practicing your religion calls for loyalty to something that is against the principals of the country than sorry...get the fk out of here. Free markets, freedom of speech, freedom of expression, Salman Rushie, Hirsi Ali, convertible arbitrage, man made law above supposed god made laws...if all these ar amenable buy a ouse next to mine, we will have fun at sunday picnics together...if you don't agree, buy a fking tent in the desert and have fun. And don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia
see people who are insecure about their faith or lack of faith would talk like that n would like to 'conform' by immitating others. u shud read my post again. i did say as long as it doesnt conflict with the basic laws n regulations ( charter of rights in canada) everyone shud be allowed to follow their religion.
Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia
No people who are insecure in their faith are those that would feel erosion of their spirituality if they were to compromise and conform to the prevailing norms of their country of migration.
Conforming is not imitating. You can be a buddhist in America, a hindu in America and go to your temples, have meetings aroud discussing spirituality..go friggin crazy. But the moment you suggest that the prevaling laws around governance need to adopt to what krishna said in the mahabharata, then you need to get your hindu ass back to India. Same goes for muslims...who have a real issue as establishing a khilafah or implementing shariah,which are concepts from 1500 yrs ago with little relvance in today's world, is a fard.
Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia
first of all these are not silly concepts. its a part of our belief, if u dont practice it then dont disrespect it either. second, i doubt any muslim would be able to establish khilafat in any country. heck they couldn't even do that in their own countries. u think they'll actually be able to do that anywhere else? ofcourse not. n i doubt an average muslim like myself would be able to implement or even think of doing anything like that in a country which is secular to begin with. shariya doesnt have to be implemented by law but practiced at home in ur own community as long as it doesnt break any rule of that country. this is called freedom of choice and expression which is why many people from all around the world came to these countries. why would anyone wanna ruin that realistically? i dont want anything to change in canada. i love it the way it is. n thats how majority of the muslim people think. but if the government is going to target specifically a community, ofcourse it is going to cause concern n more isolation.
there are bad apples in every nation/religion, but to make just one community suffer for something one person did out of millions of people, is just not fair.
the kind of generalizing that goes around here is just very disturbing. muslims like any other people in the world are different individuals. not every one of them think alike.
Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia
Suroor,
I think the Muslims in Australia think differently than you do. When you preach hatred of a country you're in, then it becomes different.
Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia
^ no they are silly concepts. Absolutely silly... the very reason they are silly is that they are unimplementable yet the drive towards implementation is in direct conflict with western and now easter values. rest of your post is just as silly....
Fact of the matter is, this one community somehow is finding itself being left behind because it fails to integrate because of some illperceived sense of religous virtue and the consternation caused by that is causing problems from philippines ot the US. The world ain't gonna change..so change your thought process and life will get better. Everyone can't be wrong. Maybe it is the muslim world that needs to take it upon itself to grow up and get with that program, or move aside and stop blaming everyone else for its problems.
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perhaps ppl like u shud open ur minds to all sorts of possibilities including the fact that not all muslims are like that before asking 'the muslim world' to open their minds. no one asked america to go invade iraq or afghanistan, they went their bin bulayay mehman ki tarah. u can't expect flowers in return for that. we dont want west to change.. we just dont want them to interfere in muslim world's affairs. leave it to muslims living in muslim countries to solve their problems. the muslims living in west are happy the way things are as long as they are not being targeted unneccessarily.
Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia
Muslims, or anyone else, who preach hatred of the western/secular gov't systems whose protection(s) they benefit from are commiting a form of treason that falls outside the bounds of freedom of speech. They are a cancer. Get the F out, and don't let the door hit you in the a$$.
More countries will follow Australia's model, just watch. The UK is almost there already.
Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia
^ wow. is that what they meant by following the shariah? well i never! :halo:
Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia
so you think shariah and the laws of the land are compatible? Please explain... Secular shariah perhaps?
Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia
Shariah is term which most like means the rules by which muslims are to live by...its divided into govement issues and others by individual and family issues.
Once a muslim or any other religeous group is living in non-muslim or non-religeous state respectively and are citizens of that state then I believe muslim or that religeous group has to follow the rules of the state.
They however, should be allowed to voice their opinion in civilized and political way if they want to have some rules of govt. amended.
Moreover, states must provide enough relaxation to any religeon so that the followers are allowed to practice their religeon.
Off course citizens have responsibility to protect the honor and integrity of the state no matter what their religeon or beliefs maybe. Rules are made to keep harmony and need to be abided.
In my knowledge, Islam is no against any particular way the govenment runs...(I am referring to govt. part of shariah now). Palimentarian, presidential, kingdom, whatever...
On the same token, what france did to Jews/Muslims/sikhs and Christians in the name of secularism was a bit harsh in my opinion. No one has to agree with me if he/she does not want to on this particular matter.
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Well lets just say out of the 1.6 M muslims in the UK, they find one Imam worthy of deporting. Now am sure you can do the maths stu an apply your knowledge elsewhere.
Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia
Pinstripe is right, you can be practicing Muslim or Hindu or Bhuddist in America or UK or Australia or whatever.
But if you plan on starting public beheadings or floggings or anything that would be harmful to the host government, its laws and people, then pack your bags and leave.
I think the above would constitute a VERY small minority of the usually peace loving expatriate Muslims around the world. So Stu, I wouldn't pop that bottle just yet.
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:halo: i dont think we have any aussie muslims hell bent on bringing in capital punishment or any of the sort. like i said, shariah canae be implemented as a source of law for governing, where the majority do not abide by it or are not willing to either. Hence that is not the issue here is it.
Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia
And we heard it on all over the tabloid media by tabloid ‘journalists’…
Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia
Stu_pid...as much as ud hatttee to hear this and prolly boil over this..but US muslims are here to stay..they are going no where...they have as much of a right to this country as u and ur fellow white trash..