Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia

Blunt and to the point, any hurt feelings?

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown.

Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state and its laws were made by parliament.

“If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you,” he said on national television.

"I’d be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia, one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that that is false.

“If you can’t agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country which practises it, perhaps, then, that’s a better option,” Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked move to the other country.

Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should “clear off”.

“Basically, people who don’t want to be Australians, and they don’t want to live by Australian values and understand them, well then they can basically clear off,” he said.

Muslim schools will have to denounce terrorism as part of an effort to stamp out home-grown extremism under measures announced after Howard’s meeting with 14 Islamic leaders Tuesday.

The prime minister called the meeting in the wake of last month’s London bombings by British-born Muslims, amid fears that Australia could be the target of a similar attack by disaffected members of its small Muslim community.

“The purpose of the meeting was to identify ways of preventing the emergence of any terrorist behaviour in this country,” Howard told commercial radio Wednesday.

“You won’t change the minds of people who are hardened fanatics and hardened extremists. You have to identify them and take measures to ensure that they don’t become a problem.”

Asked if he was prepared to “get inside” mosques and schools to ensure there was no support for terrorism, Howard said: “Yes, to the extent necessary”.

Britain, shaken by the rail and bus bombings which killed 56 people, is debating new powers which could include closing mosques where clerics are suspected of supporting extremists and deporting those who glorify suicide bombers.

Meanwhile, an Islamic youth organisation that was not invited to Howard’s Tuesday meeting said it would call an alternative conference – on September 11 – for what it says is the 80 percent of Muslims who were not represented.

The Affinity Intercultural Foundation (AIF) told national radio it wants to try to change the date’s association with Islamic violence, and to highlight how mainstream Muslims have become victims of prejudice and bias.

AIF director Mehmet Saral said Muslims were feeling more victimised than at any other time in their history of living in Australia. Some 300,000 Muslims make up just 1.5 percent of Australia’s population of 20 million.

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Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia

I don;t know why people are so nervous about khilafah or shariah..it is unimplementable in the modern world. more of a joke really... stupid australians.

Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia

I think they are more worried about the process that some of the wackjobs think it takes to get there.

Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia

It's about time, and I'm looking forward to countries like the US, UK, France and Germany doing the same. Let them cause trouble in their (or their parent's) native countries.

Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia

^
Do actually know any U.S. muslims that are causing trouble?

Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia

well thats the aussies for yer, any excuse to rear their ugly heads. bunch of nincompoops really.

Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia

why are they nincompoops? if residents don't want to abide by their law, they should leave. Makes sense, no?

Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia

Personally, aside from knowing some through gupshup, no. But why should that matter utd?

Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia

Thats because now "New world order will be implemented"
They don't want the politico-socio-economic order of Islam to counter it.

Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia

I think it's important to avoid xenophobia and by no means am I saying you or anyone else isn't. People from Muslim/Arabic countries shouldn't worry about coming to the U.S. and should bring their culture with them, mind you those that do come should be prepared to assimilate into U.S. culture which in itself is always evolving and even if they choose not to then they should be prepared and accept that their children will. And like anyone else, you either following the laws laid before you or face the consequences.

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Welcome to the new fascism. It is amazing in the name of democracy you kill freedom of speech. In the name of democracy you don't allow people protection from unjust regimes because of their faith.

Democracy is dead. Welcome to the new fascism. Didn't they do the same with the Black Panthers and the Civil Rights movement in the US?

Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia

rather silly really. if any muslim is practicing their faith and not causing any trouble, they shudn't be targeted in such a way.
its more like chor ki darhi mein tinka wala reaction.
well then, they shud have left the continent as well when native indians were asking them to go back to their 'parent' countries.
not that canada is any better in terms of their policies towards immigrants..but i love the diversity and freedom of practicing ur faith here. u dont have to be in a melting pot and assimiliate rather practice ur religion and culture and be a part of a mainstream society.

PS: stu: perhaps u shud try to get to know some muslims in person outside of gupshup and then form ur opinions about them. ur generalization and paranoya (sp?) about islam and muslims is very disturbing.

Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia

And yet they never demanded that all communists who wish to establish a socialist workers' paradise through class rebellion leave....

Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia

I did not know haters of Islam were as air-headed and delusional as they pretended those on the receiving end of their hatred of being....."Oh, they attack us because they hate our freedoms...boohoo....they attack us cause they wanna enforce sharia in the US"....get your airheads out of your freakin unhygenic hairy stinky a$$es, especially the nasty bhindians.....

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//Oh, they attack us because they hate our freedoms...boohoo....they attack us cause they wanna enforce sharia in the US//

Then why do they want to attack us...
Maybe it is a hobby for you people to fly planes to buildings and the like..

All things said and done it is better to be a Bhindian rather than a paki !!!

Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia

//Welcome to the new fascism. It is amazing in the name of democracy you kill freedom of speech. //

Did you read the article or jump to a conclusion. The article specifically targets people who are not willing to follow the law of the land.

When you have a right, you also have a responsibility. Freedom of speech does not mean going around arousing people to fly planes to buildings.

Nobody is afraid of the khilafa or the shariah law. Implement the same in the so called muslim countries and then try to implement them in the west..

Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia

No. because no where does it state that to abide by sharia law as a personal choice, you have to disobey thier law. You work your way around it. For example, even If we live in a western country, we still get Nikkah and Talaq the Islamic way alongside dont we? The officials here are not talking about forbidding sharia as a source of law for the governement (that is not very likely to happen) but as a personal choice. Shariah cant be dismissed like that for practising Muslims. Hence, it’s blatant racism fullstop.

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question is do muslims really have a right to ask for liberties they dont extend to minorities in their lands?

ma mooli, i doubt personal law is what the aussies are referring to. most likely, it would be matters of criminal law.

in the end, its a choice between separation of state from religion vs. having laws for every religious background. the latter can get very very messy. india is probably the only country to carry it off half decently.

aussies seem to want clear separation of state from religion. their constitution proclaims the nation to be so. hence, if you would like to live under religious laws as per your belief, it would definitely not be your country. i dont see the racism there, it would in all likelihood be applicable if christians wanted to stone prostitutes or hindus wanted to burn widows.

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yes as tax paying law abiding citizens of that country they have equal rights as any other, regardless of what countries o yonder are doing.

Criminal law in what sense, if you read Howards words, where he stated shariah as illegal, he doesnae sepecify which part. hence the idea is that once shariah becomes illegal, its all criminal from there on.

''I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia, one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that that is false.''

In other words, its my way or the highway.

Re: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law have been told leave Australia

So it is ok to underlay another set of laws under the laws of Australia? To the extent we are talking about laws like Jews have “Kosher” food laws that they obey. These “laws” are “de minimus”, meaning that they have so little effect that they are the essential equivalent to a diet, or organic farming. On the other hand if some town in Noth Carolina decides that it is going to obey US law and Klan Law equally you guys would be having a fit. Because no matter what you say there will be inherent conflict between two sets of laws. In this case, Sharia law would end up in direct conflict with the laws of the land, that is the conclusion of the Aussie govenment. No country allows it’s laws to be blatantly disregarded under religious pretense.