I know there are reasons, both based on ground facts and emotions. Many did not find Pakistan a viable option including prominent personalities like Abul Kalam Azad, etc. Many thought not to leave graves of their forefathers.
What ever may be the reasons, it appears from the statements of many Muslims from India, that they think those who migrated and those who demanded partition (though it was not only Muslims who demanded partition nor they were the only responsible for the way the history took its course) added miseries in the lives of those who opted to to live in India.
How do you you see such observation? I have found very bitter comments about Pakistan from Indian Muslims as compared to other Indians? Do Indian Muslims have to be anti-Pakistan to prove their loyalties towards India?
My personal opinion is that their anti pakistan comments is to prove their loyalty to india. Most indian Muslims that I have met have been very very pro India with a few exceptions who agreed that they had to prove their loyalty to india at every corner.
There was an old Muslim taxi driver who drove me to the airport on my return trip. He said what Mr. Ali says above. That he has to constantly prove his loyalty. And that's a shame.
It is not like that life of Muslims are miserable in India. Muslims are excelling in almost every field. There are many welfare schemes for minorities, last year govt. last year govt launched ‘Nai Manzil’ skill development scheme for madrasa passout students. I don’t know how and where you found and analysed that anti-Pak comments from Indian Muslims are bitter than non-Muslim Indians. Animosity between us are such that we start a verbal war on everything. Sad point in India is - if you are criticizing the country even for good and happens to be a Muslim, you are quickly adviced to leave India by ultra-nationalists. As far as know same happens in Pakistan, even Muslims who criticize Pakistani govt on serious issues are tagged as Indian agents by ultras. People love tagging. Once I was tagged rightist but it hurts deeply when someone question your national identity. @Southie this is a serious issue. Unfortunately these things still exist. It’s really a shame. @mahool conditions here are far better for Muslims as compared to Hindus in Pakistan Where should a Pakistani Hindu go? - Blogs - DAWN.COM see, ultra-natioalists pass such comments but majority of people condemn such comments. BTW, who are Muhajirs?
I know there are reasons, both based on ground facts and emotions. Many did not find Pakistan a viable option including prominent personalities like Abul Kalam Azad, etc. Many thought not to leave graves of their forefathers.
What ever may be the reasons, it appears from the statements of many Muslims from India, that they think those who migrated and those who demanded partition (though it was not only Muslims who demanded partition nor they were the only responsible for the way the history took its course) added miseries in the lives of those who opted to to live in India.
How do you you see such observation? I have found very bitter comments about Pakistan from Indian Muslims as compared to other Indians? Do Indian Muslims have to be anti-Pakistan to prove their loyalties towards India?
So by your logic, Christian in Pakistan suffering because other Christian did not move to pak ??
I always thought it was Pakistan's job to protect them.
So In india only way to protection is to have greater numbers ??
@PyariCgudia we should not move unless things are extreme. If you were an American Muslim would you leave because of likes of Mr. Trump want restriction of Muslims from entering USA? We have multiple identities- national, regional, class, cast, lingual faith, gender falan falan and may face some comments from different identity people eg Biharis are called bhaiya in Maharashtra by some. PM Modi was called an outsider by opponents in Bihar assembly election compaign, Mrs. Sonia Gandhi is called Italian now and then. If I am in avforeign country I may be asked to go home by some idiots. Sometimes we leave getting hurt . Artist Late MF Hussain left India after protest from Hindu rightists. Artist AR Rahman had to cancel a concert at Delhi because of protest by Muslim group. Right to equality and freedom of speech & expression are guaranteed by constitution and I will choose to raise my voice against any unjust descrimination. Leaving is not a good solution untill there is an extreme condition. I think solutions are - Intelligentia should be unbiased and should not loose conscience as ati sarvatra varjayet. Puplic is largely guided by their political masters, so politicians should not give such statements which are indeed harmful for the nation. Debates in schools and colleges should be organised on contemporary issues with due care so that they learn things and problems the country is facing.
There were almost 2.5 lakhs population (also termed as 'Biharis') in Eastern Pakistan who decided they'll remain Pakistani after the independence of Bangladesh. What happened to them? They lived miserable lives in camps. Pakistan where they wanted to come so bad never welcomed them. No practical steps were taken to adopt them.
Now all the muslims in India, do they have any choice? The old generation of one right after independence who had far more sympathies with Pakistan are passing by and the new generation is as indian as anyone else. Ofcourse they'll support India by all means. Now things like Gujrat massacre and stuff happens like when indian politicians come on media and ask muslims to goto pakistan but everybody knows it doesnt work this way. Bigots will remain bigots and haters will spread hatred. But muslims in India are pretty much indian and let them be.
Literature gurus must very well know the proverb, when in Rome............. :)
The problem is not in being pro-India. Its their country and being pro-country is not a negative trait. The problem is to prove yourself pro-India, you need to portray yourself anti-Pakistan.
Even people at intellectual level are no exception. I would salute Khushwant Singh and Gulzar who always gave positive comments about Pakistan (though they are non-Muslims), but when you look at Javed Akhtar on one side he portray himself very liberal and come up with lines like (sarhaden insanon ke liye hain, socho tum ne maine kiya paya insan hoke) and then you see his anti-Pakistan comments.
Even when Muslims in India support Pakistani cricketers, they are doing that at risk of being called ‘fifth columnist’.
The question is here not about right or wrong decision, the question is here the mentality that developed / was imposed on Indian Muslims over the period of time.
Agree what you said. Pakistan has a narrative which is based on Islam (wrongly or rightly. That is not question here). You can expect miserable state of minorities in a religious (so called) state and there is no denial to it. But Muslims living in secular India should have a different perspective. They should not have been tagged fifth columnist, with advise to move to Pakistan, when they talk about problems in India.
There were almost 2.5 lakhs population (also termed as 'Biharis') in Eastern Pakistan who decided they'll remain Pakistani after the independence of Bangladesh. What happened to them? They lived miserable lives in camps. Pakistan where they wanted to come so bad never welcomed them. No practical steps were taken to adopt them.
Now all the muslims in India, do they have any choice? The old generation of one right after independence who had far more sympathies with Pakistan are passing by and the new generation is as indian as anyone else. Ofcourse they'll support India by all means. Now things like Gujrat massacre and stuff happens like when indian politicians come on media and ask muslims to goto pakistan but everybody knows it doesnt work this way. Bigots will remain bigots and haters will spread hatred. But muslims in India are pretty much indian and let them be.
Literature gurus must very well know the proverb, when in Rome............. :)
The bold part is the punch line. The generation who had links and sympathies for people in other countries is almost gone. So why should new generation having no links with other country should be labelled 'fifth columnist' on the basis of religion. This question applies to both sides of border.
The other question 'do Muslims in India feel that their forefathers took wrong decision by not moving to Pakistan'. Obviously, no one will accept this in public, but still question is valid considering the constant advice 'Move to Pakistan'.
The other question 'do Muslims in India feel that their forefathers took wrong decision by not moving to Pakistan'. .
Actually its totally other way around. The muslim population actually think that whole independence was wrong and thats why they keep quoting Maulana Abul kalam Aaazad who strongly advised Quaid not to work for independent country rather join hands together so that there can be a muslim government in united India. Now whether it would have happened or no, God knows. But from whatever i've read and observed, I highly doubt it.
Actually its totally other way around. The muslim population actually think that whole independence was wrong and thats why they keep quoting Maulana Abul kalam Aaazad who strongly advised Quaid not to work for independent country rather join hands together so that there can be a muslim government in united India. Now whether it would have happened or no, God knows. But from whatever i've read and observed, I highly doubt it.
There is another interesting but painful point. Many people just cut all relationship with people who moved to Pakistan. Don't know the reason. But even legend like Manto mentioned that Ismat Chugtai never replied his letters as she was angry on his decision to move to Pakistan. That proves your point.
I remember once Ninja mentioned that after 1965 war, many Indian Muslims named their children Ayub Khan. What would have been the situation in 1971. Did they feel bad for disintegration of Pakistan or they rejoiced that prophecies of leaders like Abul kalam came true?
want to hear @KKF, but he is knowingly ignoring this thread. May be he is busy observing whats going on in Lyari on Dunia TV. :D
The bold part is the punch line. The generation who had links and sympathies for people in other countries is almost gone. So why should new generation having no links with other country should be labelled 'fifth columnist' on the basis of religion. This question applies to both sides of border.
The other question 'do Muslims in India feel that their forefathers took wrong decision by not moving to Pakistan'. Obviously, no one will accept this in public, but still question is valid considering the constant advice 'Move to Pakistan'.
I guess history books could be one of the reasons. You may have read different version of history than what I read.
