Re: Muslims: Twisted beyond recognition?
indeed it is, sipah e muhammad and tehrik e jfaria are shia extremist outfits with nothing but hate filled propoganda coming out of their mouths for the most part, sipah e shaba and lashkar e jhangvi are sunni extremist groups.
And Hizb-ut-Tehreer? Come on Pir Sahib...These guys have hardly ever picked up a stick to beat a dog let alone kill or harm someone...
they do have hate filled rhetoric though, same for mohajiroun. hate filled, bigoted words, publications, attitudes..
As for Sipah-e-Sahaba, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi e.t.c., they have made their intentions plain...You insult the Sahaba, you die...It's not like they are lying or manipulating or anything...They are quite upfront about their views...
yup, upfront about their hateful, bigoted views.
You said religious bigots and hypocrites, intolerant...OK, so I would take your examples here as intolerant...Although I would hardly categorize Sipah-e-Sahaba follower as a religious person coz' I've not been in contact with any of them...
you would take them as intolerant, great, they are not bigoted? and are they not hypocrites for preaching one thing and practising something completely different, a most obvious example of this would be Jamaat e islammi and especially its student group thigs in jamiaat, who would wax lyrical about the virtues of a muslim in their meetings and go murder fellow students on the street.
Why do you know who is a religious bigot or a hypocrite or self righteous?
why do i know, the time that I spent in Pakistan, I saw everything from Jamiaat thugs shootign their fellow students, to sipah etc. I could have kept my eyes closed and head in the sand to not know which groups are bigots, hate mongers, I decided to keep them open and see how these groups work.
They would hardly be classified as religious people...Many 'supposedly' religious people belonging to religious outfits would hardly be termed as Muslims let alone religious people...I know people from Jamiat who drank...
You are talking about groups and actions which represent those groups...And no doubt amongst those groups would be people of a virtuous and noble character...
I am talking about individual ailments I have seen and witnessed amongst Muslims in Muslim countries which have become acceptable...
Let's not talk about groups but individuals...What kind of self righteous, bigoted, hypocritical and intolerant Muslims have you seen?
The term intolerant is a relative and broad term...My believing in the fact that homosexuals, Ahmadis and Bahais are not Muslims would make me an intolerant in your eyes...Although, I am simply declaring what I know from the Quran and Sunnah...O'Reilly might be termed as an intolerant person, because he advocates violence against Muslim countries specifically and abhors everything Islamic...Yet, he would be termed as intolerant by many because his rhetoric is based on nothing but his personal dislike for Muslims and includes ridicule...
Do you understand what I am getting at?
So, intolerant to me would also be someone who believes that homosexuals, Ahmadis and Bahais are Muslims because he is being intolerant, in my views, to the teachings and commands of God and His Messenger (pbuh)...
So, let's just concentrate first on the individuals you know who are hypocritical, bigoted and self-righteous...