Muslims: Twisted beyond recognition?

In response to someone’s post, I listed a few things that have become part and parcel of of many Muslim’s lives…It got me thinking and I have come to the belief that many of the things we do just don’t fit into the criteria that we as Muslims should have…

Allah :swt: states in the Quran:
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To each is a goal to which God turns him; then strive together (as in a race) Towards all that is good. Wheresoever ye are, God will bring you Together. For God Hath power over all things.**** (The Holy **Quran, 2:148)

These are the things I noticed growing up and still do:

  1. If someone comes and declares that he has obtained from someplace a bottle of alcohol from someplace, he is hailed as someone better than the one who has memorized the Quran…

  2. When a Zaani (Adulterer, fornicator) returns from his misdeed, he is hailed and greeted as a Ghazi (veteran) Mujahid returning from Jihad…

  3. A friend who invites you to watch porn is better than a friend who invites you to pray Salat (worship)…

  4. Piety, Taqwa and Eeman are the last things we look at when choosing spouses…

  5. A wealthy man, no matter how he got his riches, is more respected and admired and envied than a pious man whose life is clean and chaste from misdeeds…(Although according to an authentic Hadith, the Holy Prophet :saw: advised us, that if we are to envy anyone, it should be those who have piety and Taqwa…)

  6. Gheeba (backbiting) is a topic between any gathering of two Muslims and no heed is paid to it, despite its grievous and dangerous nature…

  7. Money must be had, no matter how we get it or where we get it from, whether through interest (Allah :swt: has declared war on the people who deal in interest), gambling or selling Haram stuff…

  8. Religious people (Whose advice was sought in every matter) are regarded as busybodies who cannot mind their own business…

  9. Gatherings, where men and women mingle easily…(This is such a norm nowadays that it’s almost impossible to avoid, despite the Hadith that we are never to shun anyone’s invitation…)

Allah :swt: states in the Quran:
**Behold, ye are those invited to spend (of your substance) in the Way of God: But among you are some that are niggardly. But any who are niggardly are so at the expense of their own souls. But God is free of all wants, and it is ye that are needy. If ye turn back (from the Path), He will substitute in your stead another people; then they would not be like you!(The Holy Quran 47.38)

**Notice the underlined words…After all this, is it any wonder that from the ranks of the unbelievers, throughout Europe and America, thousands upon thousands MashaAllah of people are reverting while those of us, born and raised in Muslim households are drifting away?

They become Muslims, and wow do they become Muslims…

Feel free to add what you too believe you see the inflictions that has plagued this nation of ours, for mine as well as yourselves’ reminder, so that we may stay away from them or at least know in our hearts that they are to be avoided…

Some of the things, unfortunately, have become so ingrained in our culture and society, that we either ignore them, become part of them or are even completely unaware of their existence…

May Allah :swt: guide us, for truly, without His guidance, we, individually are destined for great tragedy in the hereafter, may Allah (swt) protect us from that, Ameen…

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what about house mortgage? How haraam is that?

Just asking…cause majority of the population dont even consider it bad, let alone being haraam or one of the major sins.

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^^

Don't know Sharaabi...

If you do, I think this thread is best suited to answer many questions and maybe you can tell us...

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this is indeed very thought provoking .we had a discussion on this exact ayat in our university.the main theme was exactly as u pointed out that muslims who have chosen and embraced islam really discover its tue meaning and r a thousand times better than muslims like me who r born muslims.In addition as i have observed muslims abroad, who r muslims by birth ,delve into islam n research it n follow it in a better way than those who r in pakistan/india ; and its really inspiring
( exceptions exist like here on gs ).

It is very much possible that the new evergrowing wave of muslim converts be the ones ALLAH is referring to.I am a pakistani so i will talk abt pakistanis.they take their faith for granted.anyways its a non ending discusion but i think i have made my point,rest wud be simply repitition.

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:salam:

Agreed.,

I for one can say that I had very little knowledge few years ago before arriving to Canada. But after recent events, my interest in Islam grew and now :alhamd:, i have reached a level where i am able to inform others about islam and remove misconception people have regarding Islam.

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Alhamdulillah, I have not even heard of #1,2,3 and 5 being common. Especially for adultery and possession/consumption of alcohol, if people are doing them, they have to do it rather secretly from what I’ve seen. #4, #6 are the most common from what I’ve see. #7, #9 are also common but there are quite a few people I know who will make sure to avoid mixed gatherings and will make sure they avoid taking interest. I haven’t seen much of #8 though. I just want to clarify that I’m not arguing your points at all. I am just relating what my personal experience concerning them has been.

House mortgage involves interest and is therefore also haraam. There are halaal alternatives to it.

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Very nice post Lajawab.

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Depends on the circle of 'Muslims' you've been exposed to...

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I was just thinking the same thing. I haven't really been exposed to these types of Muslims.

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This can entirely depend on the circle of friends you hang out with Lajawab and we both know that. Its still not very hard to be close to the masjid, visit regularly and be friends with all those who avoid such deeds and guide you to the right path.

However by and large yes, a lot of such things are prevailent.

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Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala states in the Quran:
Behold, ye are those invited to spend (of your substance) in the Way of God: But among you are some that are niggardly. But any who are niggardly are so at the expense of their own souls. But God is free of all wants, and it is ye that are needy. If ye turn back (from the Path), He will substitute in your stead another people; then they would not be like you!(The Holy Quran 47.38)

Notice the underlined words...After all this, is it any wonder that from the ranks of the unbelievers, throughout Europe and America, thousands upon thousands MashaAllah of people are reverting while those of us, born and raised in Muslim households are drifting away?

They become Muslims, and wow do they become Muslims...

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You know, I always wondered about that. I always wondered who would we be replaced with nowadays, but the way you put it does make sense. Those born and bread as muslims are drifting away from it while the scores of converts are reviving islam and practicing it in the spirit and fashion it was meant to be practiced.

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yeah,especially the ones who notch their ‘tools’ with sexual conquests.

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Lajjo

u are hangin out with the wrong crowd. while the items that you have noted do actually take place they are not common.

in addition your note only shows one side of the extreme. why nto show the other side of the coin with people who claim to be religious but actually are intolerant, bigoted, self righteous, types..you know teh types that are declaring everyone else kaafir, justifying the murders of those who are not like them or believe in their agenda.

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aside from paying cash what else?

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Why don't you Pir Sahib?

And this is not really extreme...This is what many in Muslim countries practice...

I would like you to provide me with examples of those who you call bigoted and self righteous and intolerant...In what way? What have they said that makes them such? Or who are they who kill for not believing in their agenda?

Examples pir sahib...

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Here's one

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^^

There can be only one liar from your above quoted post:

Either it's me or it's the Quran...

Ask any Muslim who they trust more...

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why dont you tell us. Iam assuming you have a mortgage on you.

Shouldnt it be matter of concern for all mortgage owners to look for halaal alternatives, or just use the one fraudia mentioned.

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Islamic loands are another option for many of the North American residents. Although I feel they rip you off, but it's still better than obtaining a mortgage through banks and other financial institutions.

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actually the extreme you are talking about would be those who are seeing being interviewed on media today who claim that they have 'taken care' of one pillar and now are working on other to bring it down, sorta 'female imam' if you know what I mean ;)

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Extremists on both ends (secular-progressive wanna bes (so called moderates) and religous bigots) have hurt Islam badly... Fraudz which end do you belong in?