Re: Muslims skeptical over Newsweek apology
^ so you're saying Dawn and Reuters made this story up?
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I never said that… read what i said “I am not saying that you are lying” Its just article without an author doesn’t make sense.. like some author usually write BS stories so they don’t have good reputation so no one really believe what they wrote and some have really good.. and this article doesn’t even have one? any other refers you have?
Re: Muslims skeptical over Newsweek apology
This was from the original Retuers news service report:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?storyID=8272382&type=worldNews
Read it and weep.
Re: Muslims skeptical over Newsweek apology
The source of DAWN story is Reuters.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_4-5-2005_pg7_21
Re: Muslims skeptical over Newsweek apology
When it comes to SA and the reputation it has, it's hard not to believe that it is indeed a true story.
Re: Muslims skeptical over Newsweek apology
Saudi Arab is the worst kind of state. I am not sure how any decent human being can hold the hands of its prince, invite him to his home, and walk with this despicable person, let alone support this kingdom.
But, irrespective of what it is, I never read a story in which bible is fulshed in toilet everyday in SA.
OK, let me be very clear. If I know a person A has a holy book, and i want to torment this guy. I would certainly flush in toilet his holy book. But after that, I would never issue a statement every year telling world which country allows religous freedom and which not.
This is hypoircisy
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But lostsoul, wouldn't you agree that the person who did this (if it happened) was a person and not an entire country or an entire religion?
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Saudi is a monarchy you read that and weep funny how you keep missing that one or do you want to proove saudi is an islamic state bring it if you can
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If i were running the GB (the infamous bay), i would have approved this practise.
If you read all the investigation reports in Abu Ghraib scandal, one thing u would notice is that the management did not write specific procedures deliberately. The foot soldiers (the ones on trial), were on their own to do what they think was appropriate. The management was happy at seeing the results. They just didnt bother about what was going on, even though they had all the hints.
So was this delibarte? No, if u r looking for specific documents, video , pics, etc.
But was this deliberate? Yes, If u r looking at the big picture (breaking down the prisoners at all costs)
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Who said anything about SA being an Islamic state? You are the one hung up on that. If we were to wait around to judge how Khilafahland will respect other religions, we'd be waiting a looooooong time.
For right now SA represents how the Keeper of the Holy Places and Muslims in general respect other religions. Ya gotta give to get.
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lostsoul - no argument, let me just add that the administration knew exactly what they were doing when they placed GB on foriegn soul.
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seminole if you cant keep up with the argument stay in your bedroom and stick to playing with your playstation boy,
Saudi is a monarchy plain and simple if you cant get that basic fact into your head then theres no hope even for you.
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hahah there is a 5 step process in redemption of quran burning…but none when women get shot in the head in soccer stadiums… 
talk about lack of priorities…
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Your condescending barbs are tiresome. Clever comebacks from an intelligent an articluate poster are amusing and challenging. When they are neither clever nor coming from said poster, they are neither.
Anyway, no one is guessing what religious respect will look like in your mythical Khilafahland. We have to deal with reality and the reality is that SA and most Muslim countries do not respect the religious practice, buildings or scriptures of non-Muslims.
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Seminole ya big nutjob lunk......
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A typical response from a media whore…
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I see. I was wondering how I became so popular so suddenly. 
Thanks for informing me that you were using it as a personal point.
Anyhow see this is a reaction. The Quran pages being flushed down was an event. It is very wrong to go out and say that people (American etc) should be killed because of this. Of course we are aware that not all Americans are evil , whoever did that with the Quran - they were complete morons that is all. In no shape or form am I saying it is alright to issue such things as kill anyone over it. Not at all. However, they have every right to be angry and protest.
Take sept 11th for example. After the attacks, a lot of Americans thought and mind you still think that all Muslims are terrorists. And look at this.
NEW YORK Reported hate crimes against Muslims in the United States increased by more than 50 percent last year, according to a study by the Council on American-Islamic Relations, an Islamic advocacy group in Washington.
For every action there is a reaction. Whether good or bad is up to personal opinions. However, it is wrong to say that people should sit back and think that at the end of the day it is only a book. Because it is not. It is a Holy Book that not hundreds, not thousands not even millions, but billions of people hold close and believe in. The state of your soul depends on how far one is willing to go to follow the Quran and hold close to what God has sent down to mankind.Basic human respect, very very basic respect should teach that flushing it down etc is wrong, and that there will be a reaction. And those who take part in such stupid incidents are to blame.
The riots - no Satan has not won. The protests - no Satan has not won. They show that people value the Quran and will not sit back and take such incidents with a calmness that some might want them too. However, issuing death threats - that is wrong. We need to educate and respect each other, not issue such threats. Those are completely wrong.
Rest of you folks: lets not jump and bring Saudia Arabia into it. Thats like comparing turtles to apples. 
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Protests are fine, demanding reparations are fine - riots are not and neither is killing.
Again when looking for a reaction to the incident of flushing the Quran (Bible, Torah, whatever) down a toilet, it is only a book compared to your soul. Rioting and killing are not forgiven sins just because you do it in protest of a person, religion, or even a country showing contempt for a religion. This is what I meant by it is a book. Not that it is fine to desecrate, it isn't. I have a Bible that has been passed down for many generations in my family. My soul would be torn if someone ever did anything to it, but I would never harm or kill because of it. It is a book compared to my soul.
Sometimes I feel things and I have a hard time writing them out or I am not very clear. I am sorry I gave the impression that I view a Holy book like I would a table, I don't. My analogy was meant as a comparison only.
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I dont think anyone here is saying that killing is a forgivable sin. However, in Islam we do say that every action depends on its intention. However, as far as this incident is concerned, whether it is true or not, it doesnt even matter. I mean I have seen non Muslim people grab Qurans from Muslims kids and throw them to the ground. So I would hardly be surprised if they did other stuff with it to anger some Muslims. I would not harm anyone over it either. I would however be angry. Na its ok, misunderstandings always happen.
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seminole what you afraid of islamic state you seem very scared you mention it so much in your posts almost like when a kid is scared of a monster.
nevermind your unintellegent comments are a reminder that the US should spend a little of its war budget on the education system within your neighbourhood because i have yet to see anything worth commenting on from your spurious posts.
Minah pah
you are right it is a book compared to human life and many kuffar have burned and destroyed qurans hundreds of times from the crusades of yesterday to the crusades today but it is more than trashing the book of the muslims it is symbolic humiliation that the US terrorists have done in afghanistan or guantanamo or iraq and other such places need i remind you of the public photos that whole world saw in Abu gharib its not just a one off incident its now a sick trend.