Muslims skeptical over Newsweek apology

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US magazine Newsweek has said it erred in reporting that a copy of the Koran had been flushed down a toilet at Guantanamo Bay by US interrogators.It said a US military investigation had failed to corroborate the story and apologised for carrying the report. At least 15 people have been killed in anti-US riots in Afghanistan following the article’s publication last week. The US military in Afghanistan says, however, there will still be an investigation into the allegations.
Several claims of desecration of the Koran have been made by former inmates of the US facility in Cuba. As well as the deaths in Afghanistan, more than 100 people have been injured in violent protests across the Muslim world, from Pakistan to Indonesia. (According to BBC: BBC NEWS | Americas | Koran desecration report 'wrong')

The report in Newsweek’s May 9 issue said that investigators probing abuses at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay found that interrogators “had placed Qurans on toilets, and in at least one case flushed a holy book down the toilet.” It sparked protests across the Muslim world from Afghanistan, where 16 were killed and more than 100 injured, to Pakistan, India, Indonesia and Gaza.(According to Newsweek: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7870840/)

OK does any one knows what is the truth and if yes whats the solution because if some one can disrespect Quran and we didn’t do any thing they can do it again… don’t you think so?

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I heard that this morning. You can hardly blame them. What kind of an idiot puts forth such a thing then announces he wasnt sure?

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IDEALLY:
1-See if there are two people to bear witness to this event
2-If there are, ask for an apology from the nation in question
3-In addition, ask for the culprits to be handed over to be punished
4-If conditions 2 and 3 are accepted, case closed
5-If conditions 2 and/or 3 are denied, declare war

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The Bible is holy to me but I certainly don't expect it to have the same meaning to anyone else if they aren't Christian. It may upset me that it would be held in contempt by others, but when all is said and done, it is a book. If someone does something like that, it doesn't change the meaning of the book to me or other Christians. It just shows that person's lack of character.

What blows my mind is the credibility given to people like this. They hear a report of someone in another country flushing a book down a toilet, so they kill other people as long as they are the same religion or just American. That is like me being angry at Thandy and killing Muslim_Queen and expecting everyone to sympathize with me. After all they are both Muslim and one of them doesn't like America. There you go.

I think this report is a load of crap. They probably heard a rumor and reported it because it is sensational and didn't realize the nutcases would run with it and use it as an excuse to kill people. Newsweek has become nothing but a tabloid the past couple of years. I used to subscribe but I let it lapse about six months ago for reasons such as this.

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YEah in guantanmo they dont torture people and they dont descerate the quran and if you belive that one you will belive anything.

Minah pah do us a favour at least try and speak the truth some of the time it will make you feel better trust me.

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The fact that you feel this way shows your lack of understanding of the matter. Do you think that if I (God forbid) would disrespect a bible, I’d do it because I hate the book? Or because I don’t agree with what’s written in it ?
Such acts are a direct display of disrespect towards the religion and its followers. Although I don’t agree with the killings that have taken place in relation to this, it is a serious matter nonetheless.

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Uh say what? Who said I dont like America? I disagree with the governments policies but then so do most Americans. No idea where that above comment came from though.

And the above example is wrong. because Thandy and I have not gone off and done something because we disagree. We keep our opinions to opinions, we didnt take actions to degrade America - sounds so ridiculous as a comparison but what the heck.

Anyway it is not about a difference of opinion. It is about using stupid means to degrade the other person’s opinion because it is different. Perhaps you can stand by without any anger if the Bible was flushed down, but I wouldnt. I am still talking about the Bible yes. I would be offended and angry no matter what religious Book it was. The fact that this is about the Quran - well that hits home even more.

And at the end of the day it is not ‘just a book’. It is a Holy Book that billions of people hold close and it is Holy for them. So I think importance should be given even if you do not understand it.

Anyway I dont think it is about an issue of credibility. Its the media. We have to take it with a pinch of salt. Whether it is true or not - this question can be asked of any story that comes up in the news. And human lives have not been respected there, I can only say so much about a Holy Book.

I think anger is understandable in this case. What we do with that anger is what the real issue is all about.

Mansoob THay jo log meri zindagi kay saaTH
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Ah, Hunk, can I start a nice Christian Church in the heart of Mecca? If not, why not? Would not "respect" for MY religion allow me to worship anywhere I want in any way I choose?

When was the last time a Christian church was built in Saudi Arabia? Can I walk the streets with my bible? Can I preach my beliefs outloud on a street corner, as the bible says I should?

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Saudi is a monarchy before the right wing yanks start yapping about how bad islam is and how bad muslims are blah blah blah.

If Saudi was true islamic state xstians would be welcome to come with their bible and the best of there preachers or priests would be told to debate and proove if there xstainity and bible is the truth or falsehood no time for oh you all religions is same and same god this is BS settle it by debate you proove it right or wrong this how islam define how to discuss and debate other beliefs and ideology not like amerikkka today if you dont agree with them then they bomb you with nuclear bomb.

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Uh say what? Who said I dont like America? I disagree with the governments policies but then so do most Americans. No idea where that above comment came from though.

And the above example is wrong. because Thandy and I have not gone off and done something because we disagree. We keep our opinions to opinions, we didnt take actions to degrade America - sounds so ridiculous as a comparison but what the heck.

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I never said you did M_Q. I used your name only to make a point only. I was refering to a post by Thandy on why we hate the west. I said what these people who are killing others because of a news report were doing was wrong. Period. No matter what the report was. It would be like my killing you because Thandy wrote something I didn't agree with. That's all.

M_Q - I never said I would have no anger, but I certainly wouldn't take out my anger on innocent people who have nothing to do with it just because they were the same religion or nationality. That makes me more unGodly than someone who flushes a Bible down the toilet. I also believe in proper respect for other's religions and scripts.

I never said any of this, if it is true, was right.

Hunk - I understand the matter.

AK47 - I never said that either

Let's actually put a relgious slant on an issue like this. God says that the Devil is out there and uses all the power he has to make people come to him. Don't you think that this has to be one of his more powerful tools to use? The desecration of relgious books and items hits people powerfully. And here you see the result of it - people (supposedly men of God) killing because of it.

You and I may be angry about this, but do you believe the riots and the killing are what God wants or what Satan wants?

I am saying that it is ultimately a book, no more, when it comes to the state of your soul.

I would also like to point out that with the killings and the riots, Satan has won, hasn't he? Especially now that we know that this was a rumor and not a proven fact.

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You’re welome to start a church in the heart of Mecca, but don’t come crying back when Christians get run-over by the millions of Muslims on pilgrimage :hehe:

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Alright Miss. I-like-to-rant-and-rave-but-don’t-know-how-to-read, did anyone here say that the killings were justified ? :rolleyes:

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It was in the text

"Several claims of desecration of the Koran have been made by former inmates of the US facility in Cuba. As well as the deaths in Afghanistan, more than 100 people have been injured in violent protests across the Muslim world, from Pakistan to Indonesia. (According to BBC"

"The report in Newsweek’s May 9 issue said that investigators probing abuses at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay found that interrogators “had placed Qurans on toilets, and in at least one case flushed a holy book down the toilet.” It sparked protests across the Muslim world from Afghanistan, where 16 were killed and more than 100 injured, to Pakistan, India, Indonesia and Gaza.(According to Newsweek"

And the question was:

"OK does any one knows what is the truth and if yes whats the solution because if some one can disrespect Quran and we didn't do any thing they can do it again... don't you think so?"

What do you think?

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Right ... and in response to that question, did anyone say that we should start killing Americans or that it is ok to do so ?

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No one is killing American the people are just protesting against the American Solider for doing such an act. I think every one have right to protest for some thing wrong and they deserve an apologetic statement from the leader of that nation… Did they really do it? Even if they did they will never admit it

ohioguy i think Non muslims are not allowed in Mecca... That doesn't mean Muslim don't respect other religon its just that it is TOO Holy for us...

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40 Pakistani Christians held in S. Arabia

RIYADH, April 23: Saudi Arabia has detained 40 Pakistani Christians for holding prayers at a house in the kingdom, where practicising any religion other than Islam is illegal, newspapers said on Saturday. A group of men, women and children were attending the service in the capital Riyadh when police raided the house, Al Jazirah newspaper said.

It said authorities also found Christian tapes and books.

Another Saudi daily, Al Yaum, said the raid took place on Friday while a Pakistani preacher was delivering a sermon. It was not clear what measures might be taken against the group.

Saudi authorities were not immediately available to comment.

There are around six million foreigners in the kingdom, which has a population of 23 million, including many Christians from Europe, North America, Asia and other Arab states.

In a rare official rebuke of a close ally last year, Washington accused Saudi Arabia of severe violations of religious freedom.

Following the Sept 11, 2001 attacks, which were carried out by mainly Saudis, the Gulf Arab state’s religious establishment came under sharp criticism by the West for fostering militancy and intolerance of other religions.—Reuters

http://www.dawn.com/2005/04/24/top10.htm

So help me on this. We are supposed to respect the Quran, but there are entire Muslim COUNTRIES who have so little respect for the Bible that it is illegal to worship it?

The word hypocracy is not strong enough…

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Who said anything about a Bible not being allowed to be read?

I’ll let you know what a stronger and correctly spelled word is, right after I open up a Masjid in the Vatican…

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Ohioguy The article you are referring doesn’t have any author. Who have written it? I haven’t read such a news any where else… please if you have any other refer do let me know, I am not saying it is lie but that article doesn’t’ seems to be right

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It's a Dawn article. You know Dawn, the Pakistani English newspaper, right?

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yeah Dawn Pakistani English newspaper but i also know there must be a author writting that article… now please don’t tell me you read every article and believe it…