Khan saab, lets not discuss which religion kicked out which religion.
I'm sure you dont want to discuss the case of kashmiri hindus or kashmiri pandits who kicked out of kashmir valley within 2 or 3 months in 1990 for the establishment of nizam e mustafa in valley and there numbers where more than 100,000. And still to this date they cannot go back, the reason being their houses are burnt or occupied by muslims.
Yamahaguy,
Yes what has happened in Kashmir with the Pundits is wrong, and the final settlement must include provisions that guarantee their return to the valley.
I was simply responding to the rubbish that Nidden has written.
Similarly the Indian capital is built on the bones of the vanquished Muslim community, whose pathetic remnant remains, but bulk of it was expelled in 1947.
Dhanewad
you are repeating one and the same thing while making clear that you are not interested in any debate over partition or who killed whom...
may be the indian historians have not written anything on delhi riots, you know better, but we can talk of noakhali, or at least how riots started against each other...who started killings before and after partiotion....and for your information the muslim population in delhi has increased from 5% since 1951(as per your qoutes) to 13%....
off course i will not start the period from the attack of nadirshah abdali on delhi and the massacre he carried out...
Dear Indians and Pakistanis
There is enough of fireworks from both the sides
History is going to remain same
The task ahead is to make the future of our Indian subcontinent,
So I would request all of you that please stick to topic
Don’t you gentlemen see that we are straying away from topic.
In my earlier post, I said that I am not supporting reservations, but they do exist.
Among North Indian Muslims, certain communities like the Ansaris, Saffis, Siddiquis, Qureshis and Mansooris already have reservation. I cannot see why it is difficult to extend it to so called “high caste” Muslim groups such the Sayyid, Mughal, Pathan, Rajput, Tyagi, Kamboh and Kayasth as well. The Sachar commision said Muslims as a group are backword, then why give reservation to the first lot, and not to the rest.
If you read my postings in the Pakistan quata thread, I have said clearly that I see no problem with affirmative action.
I bet you don't know a single Sindhi, and your concern for them would never extend to apologising for there illtreatment at the hands of Sindhi Hindus during the period Sindh was part of Bombay. Sindhis are very vocal, several Pakistani PMs have been Sindhis.
As I said earlier, if I asked to show Pakistan on the map, you will struggle.
Wallow in your ignorance, as you can't be bothered to have a sane argument. I am sure you are from Maharashtra or Gujarat, areas where the Hindu right flourishes.
You should comeup with better reply. Can you provide proof what are you are saying in your first para? As usual concted figures and lies what you mqm quys are capable of.
In 1991, your mqm killers, killed many Sindhis and gang raped Sindhi women in Hyderabad and Karachi. You blame Hindus of gang rape, what about when mqm used red hot metals to mark mqm on the butts of Sindhi Muslim women. When you talk about Hidu-Muslim riots you should also think that mqm killed more Sindhis, muhajirs (dissendents), punjabis, pakhtoons and balochis then Hindus killed Muslims in Indian. Sharam karo mere bhai.
Khan sahib,
I believe that reservation benefit should not be extended to all “high caste” muslims but to the one who is economically and socially backward. All persons belonging to Other Backward Class are not entitled to benefit if they fall in creamy layer, similar should be in the case of muslim
And reservations should be extended to all minority community including Islam, because in my country INDIA, you can find Christians, Buddhist and even Sikh belonging to same strata of society like these muslims.
It seems that the Andhra Pradesh High Court has struck down a state law which gave reservations to 15 backward Muslim biradaris. The article is not clear why they have scrapped the law.
You should comeup with better reply. Can you provide proof what are you are saying in your first para? As usual concted figures and lies what you mqm quys are capable of.
In 1991, your mqm killers, killed many Sindhis and gang raped Sindhi women in Hyderabad and Karachi. You blame Hindus of gang rape, what about when mqm used red hot metals to mark mqm on the butts of Sindhi Muslim women. When you talk about Hidu-Muslim riots you should also think that mqm killed more Sindhis, muhajirs (dissendents), punjabis, pakhtoons and balochis then Hindus killed Muslims in Indian. Sharam karo mere bhai.
I am going waste a lot of time on this. Just read any good book on partition.
For Delhi, read the City of Djin by William Darlymple.
And your second point to pure rubbish. Give me a good independent source for your info.
You should comeup with better reply. Can you provide proof what are you are saying in your first para? As usual concted figures and lies what you mqm quys are capable of.
In 1991, your mqm killers, killed many Sindhis and gang raped Sindhi women in Hyderabad and Karachi. You blame Hindus of gang rape, what about when mqm used red hot metals to mark mqm on the butts of Sindhi Muslim women. When you talk about Hidu-Muslim riots you should also think that mqm killed more Sindhis, muhajirs (dissendents), punjabis, pakhtoons and balochis then Hindus killed Muslims in Indian. Sharam karo mere bhai.
Well i have been watching you for months
and everytime you come up with the same nonsense so its time you better look at what YOU
are replying instead of scrutinizing others.
The only kind of reservations India needs is economic status based. Everything else is just vote bank politics.
Yes, I completely agree with you, it should be according to social and economic condition of the muslim, and such benefit should be extended to all communities, Buddhist, jains, Christians, and sikh
Actually I recently happen to be in UP, at some places conditions of Brahmins are also not that good
Criteria for reservation should be according to the economic condition rather than caste or community
Khan sahib,
As far as I remember though not sure, it was struck down because, Muslims demanded separate quota, then reservation benefit given to all community adding the proposed quota demanded by muslims was exceeding 50 percent threshold, and in any given condition (except if it is special drive of selection in government services for particular community), should not exceed prescribed threshold.
In general competitive exams 50% seats should remain unreserved.
And probably, this is why the proposal wasn’t able to stand judicial scrutiny of court.
And sahabji, court in India is totally unbiased, up to now it has never given any decision on its whims or fancies. Media reports are not considered by the court, and court always asks respective authority to verify, and it is job of that authority to give the information requested by court.
Khan sahib,
As far as I remember though not sure, it was struck down because, Muslims demanded separate quota, then reservation benefit given to all community adding the proposed quota demanded by muslims was exceeding 50 percent threshold, and in any given condition (except if it is special drive of selection in government services for particular community), should not exceed prescribed threshold.
In general competitive exams 50% seats should remain unreserved.
And probably, this is why the proposal wasn’t able to stand judicial scrutiny of court.
And sahabji, court in India is totally unbiased, up to now it has never given any decision on its whims or fancies. Media reports are not considered by the court, and court always asks respective authority to verify, and it is job of that authority to give the information requested by court.
jeetIAF
Well dont you think sahib jee that what you are doing is generalizing and that is totally unfair of you. Did you not watch the video and listen to the voice of common Muslims in India?
What they are asking is to deal with them as FAIR citizens of India. They do not want anything MORE then other indians are getting they want FAIR treatment by indian, nothing more and nothing less.
Neither would i like to open old wounds … but unlike you i don’t need a gora to tell me what happened the sub continent. The madness that took place happened equally across the border and since you seem to have high regard for view of goras … here is a view from a gora who unlike the French gentelman was present on ground and did not write his book reading some papers … here is the link … INDIA: Competitive Massacre - TIME
Now i know the Palestinian cause arouses great emotional suport in the muslim world so perhaps you connection to that event is because of that. But as you would know the history the two events are miles apart. The muslims of the region wanted a seperate homeland and they got it … so their travel to Pakistan is not in the same light.
such bholany par slug kyoun rahi hay. What do you mean by watching for months? Are you ISI, FBI or CIA? Prove what I am saying is woring. I am not scrutinizing others, this job you are doing fine. I don't have fricken time for this nonsense.
Well dont you think sahib jee that what you are doing is generalizing and that is totally unfair of you. Did you not watch the video and listen to the voice of common Muslims in India?
What they are asking is to deal with them as FAIR citizens of India. They do not want anything MORE then other indians are getting they want FAIR treatment by indian, nothing more and nothing less.
Dear happyheart,
Yaara, The post which I had written earlier was to answer the questions of khan15 about rejecting the request of reservation made by Indian Muslims in Hyderabad in southern state of India, Andhra Pradesh.
As far as seeing your videos, yes I saw them and also you raised the topic. So I regard your job as commendable.
Unlike you who don’t live in Indian sub continent (as you identify your location in Netherlands) I live in capital of India, Muslims are even my classmates, Muslims comprises of 11.7% in Indian capital.
I said it all the time and would say it again;”** Muslims should be given reservation including other minorities on the basis of their economic and social backwardness”.**
And also all Muslims are not backward, **only those sections of the Muslims should be given benefits that are really in need of it.
And I further mentioned **all other minorities should also be entitled to such benefit,
also the schedule castes, who have converted to Christian and Buddhist are not given benefit of reservation, I even feel they should also get their due.
Don’t you agree on this point?
Also move should be cautious as it has to stand judicial scrutiny of Supreme Court of India
jeetIAF
You should comeup with better reply. Can you provide proof what are you are saying in your first para? As usual concted figures and lies what you mqm quys are capable of.
In 1991, your mqm killers, killed many Sindhis and gang raped Sindhi women in Hyderabad and Karachi. You blame Hindus of gang rape, what about when mqm used red hot metals to mark mqm on the butts of Sindhi Muslim women. When you talk about Hidu-Muslim riots you should also think that mqm killed more Sindhis, muhajirs (dissendents), punjabis, pakhtoons and balochis then Hindus killed Muslims in Indian. Sharam karo mere bhai.
I am not an MQM guy, secondly go to your local library and ask for a copy of the Census of India 1941, and look at the figures for Delhi territory.
You seen to be a typical RSS type upper caste Hindu, who has no knowledge or understanding of Pakistan, just blind hatred. I would suggest when you are looking at the 1941 Census in the library, also have a look at the Encyclopedia Britanica, and read up the Pakistan entry.
. Muslims should be given reservation including other minorities on the basis of their economic and social backwardness”.
And also all Muslims are not backward, **only those sections of the Muslims should be given benefits that are really in need of it.
And I further mentioned **all other minorities should also be entitled to such benefit,
Sardarjee,
I also think the quotas should be based on economics and not race, religion or caste. I am sure there must at least a few poor Brahmins in India. Why shouldn't they get assistance as well. That was my orignal point, why give to certain groups and not others. Why just give to 15 Muslim biradaris in Andhra, and not to the rest. I'm sure there are plenty of poor Sayyids in Andhra.
So I sccept your point, it should be on economics.
Giving reservations to economically weaker sections is fraught with flaw. In a country like India wherein even the most prosperous businessmen claim that they are economically backward.
By the way giving reservations itself is fraught with danger and needs to be stopped.
And you are upper class bhangi of lalukhet, with no manners at all. It seems you are Khan with n silent.
I would have no problem with belonging to either the Bhangi or Mirasi caste, or coming from Lalukhet. Its you chaps in India who have a brutal heirachical caste system, so its an insult for Hindus, not me. Thats why you have reservation which offends the upper caste Hindu posters to this forum.
The lack of a caste system in Pakistan is something we can truelly be proud off.