Muslims did not evolve from apes.

(Title was to get your attention only) :smiley:

So finally I watched development of evolution theory beginning middle and end.

Beginning.
Darwin observation of connection between species. He did awesome work. And toward his best work he noticed species get shaped.. different shapes in closely related species… kicked in and develop in embryo stage.. in the womb.

Middle.
Discovery of DNA and scientists going berserk. They thought dna was responsible for every thing. And wish for change(natural selection )
Used DNA as a tool

End(present)
Scientists found switches which turn DNA of and on to create thing(arm legs brains) in people and animals.
At this point scientists went back to Darwin. And noticed every thing did occurred in embryo. Like they put color making DNA and thumb DNA and will see that blue thumb developing in mouse embryo.

things happened … things happened…
Scientist got hooked to what make humans human... from evolution stand point. From DAN to wards human.
They found ability to use thumb… use **pen **…tool etc… which is missing in any other animal including cousins chimps.
(pen and tools words coming from people who discovered it.)

Fine … Then they find out why our brains were so large…and what it meant. So they found gorilla had a muscle size of human thigh muscle to exert pressure on jaw muscle that stooped its brain growth.

This one chick with super computer put
human
chimp
and other animal
DNA to compare… to see where chimp were close to humans.. where close to animals.
At one point different between hen and chimp DNA was one letter.
With human it was 18 letters…in DNA terms its like light years away.

That part is related to developing cortex in brain.. which is responsible for language mathematics etc etc

Two/three things I would like to mention.

1- Objection Why every thing which looks same have same blue print… is like saying why God did not come up with DNA version 2.0… ;We know God get stuff perfect in first go… so never an up grade.

2-After accepting point 1, Islam and Evolution have 0 contradiction!!

3- And most important. Remember RED BLUE AND GREEN from above.

**RED **—> where it happen.
BLUE & GREEN-----> what make us human.

So putting them together tells.. where and how we became human.

Now read this.

======surah al alaq(first revolation)==============
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Recite in the name of your Lord who created -[96:1]

Created man from a clinging substance.[96:2]

Recite, and your Lord is the most Generous -[96:3]

Who taught by the pen -[96:4]

                    Taught  man  that  which  he  knew  not[96:5] 

==================Sura rehman(God tell his favours upon men and jin)==================

Created man,[55:3]

[And] taught him ** eloquence**.[55:4]

–All those scientist who did research on third stage, were still alive in 2012.. so its pretty recent developments.

–Eloquence = bayan in arabic… in urdu means talk and stuff…

PS: Please stop arguing about evolution. Its does not contradict quran.. if you see red blue and green above… its like some one had a time machine… they came to 2012 took all the research.. went back and wrote down..

PS2: psychological point: Don’t other people tell that its your problem…you think its your problem and you start defending it. Be quiet and know the problem first.
Thank you.

Re: Muslims did not evolve from apes.

Its long but please read it..

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“Like they put color making DNA and thumb DNA and will see that blue thumb developing in mouse embryo.” Lmao, never in all of my learning of fluorescent tagging did I think to call it color making DNA. I love your way with words, very entertaining. :k:

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yayyyy

PS: layman’s attempt on science :snooty:

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:fatee: You know, you would be the perfect candidate for the job where you have to translate scientific data into every day English for audience with a non-science background. (ok, enough derailing, I is out).

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Peace brother Monk

Evolution is not compatible with Islam or with science ... According to what I have read ...

I'll try to understand why you are saying this from the post above ... But I feel your conclusion is not right. Evolution requires us to say that creatures become other creatures (through mutations generation after generation) and the Qur'an does not say this ... Gradually becoming another animal would require many subspecies of all creatures some that indistinguishable from other creatures in both DNA and shape. We don't have a spectrum of DNA that merges we are all very distant from one another.

It seems you actual argument is pinned on the difference between chicken, chimp and human ... Please elaborate on what you mean by one letter difference between chimp and chicken and 18 between human and chimp. According to most theories I have heard chimps are our closest DNA cousins.

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That is point 1 in my post.
Essentially what they get at is, similarities in DNA and mechanism which direct and use DNA as its tool. My point is .... if I have nail and chimp has nail .. we would have same DNA stuff... That similarity not necessarily means. I came from him or he came from me. That is just only way.. the perfect way to make organism. So its common in creations.

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It seems you actual argument is pinned on the difference between chicken, chimp and human ... Please elaborate on what you mean by one letter difference between chimp and chicken and 18 between human and chimp. According to most theories I have heard chimps are our closest DNA cousins.
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I will get back to you on that.
But search of cortex development in human and controlling dna and how its different from chimp and hen.
I watch it again and post.

My Actual argument is on.
Ability to hold pen.
Language.

DNA scientist are in engagement that is what made us human.

Ok do this...
Read on.
1-difference between human and chimp skulls development--> its impact on brain size and cortex(language thing)---> difference between brain related related DNA ---> impact on language learning.

2- thumb develpment in human as appose to other animals... + cousins.

One done read surha al alaq 1-5 surah rehman 1-4

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sahi kaha. apes all died from drowning in the sea.

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I want to read, but i am too tired

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So... what happened? One fine day, God decided to turn on/off DNA switches in one of the embryo's of one of the Chimpanzees that gave Humans opposable thumbs and cognitive skills?

Or, was it natural selection? An evolutionary process not corroborated by literal translations of Quran.

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Don't know what happened.

But lets make one assumption and see how it goes.
Suppose
(assumption starts)
God made earth a resting place for us....(one of description from quran)
How did he do it ? Did he bring cement + gravel and made it ?
No.
He rolled out universe and earth came into being. Keep in mind the length of the process and factors. And heavenly bodies necessary to keep earth a resting place for life. A mind ogling process.
Same way he could employ what ever was the best process to make species.
(assumption over)

Mind is strange shallow thing. So keep reminding your self.
"Some one" when they spoke about creation of man.
Spoke about.
Use of pen... use of language.. (as a blessing on men kind..)
Which is what evolutionist got at in 2003 to 2012 some thing like that.

It spoke about other attributes.. which are manifested and researched.
But that is not in biology.

So Don't let science put a tight rubber band around the brain. :)

To disprove, I think we can finding a time machine which was used in 600+AD, to get data form 1500 years later.

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Muslims didn't evolve from apes. In fact, they are actually evolving INTO apes.

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^What took you people so long to get to he point :D

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You can't pick and choose parts of theory of evolution and parts of Qur'an to prove either.

There are several other observations in the theory of evolution that Quran does not address (for example, natural selection).

and there are several other aspects of creation of humans (the story of Adam and Ave (AS), for example) that theory of evolution does not corroborate.

I really do not understand why do we need to take Quran literally and feel the need to 'prove' it scientifically.

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ON a serious note...
On this subject, please refer two works of Allama Iqbal:
1) Reconstruction of Islamic Thought
2) Baal-e-Jibrael

and one work of Darwin that discusses assumption and limitations of his own theory.

These are all very indepth discussion and require several thorough reads. i dont think none of us here are qualified to state them on this fazool forum.

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KB, thing to look for here is not finding the exact matches.
Thing to find is, Quran not being wrong about some thing.
A 1400 old book not being outdated.
Is very remarkable.

As for exact matches... God cleanly said in my words"he could made you all Muslims."

I know like 20 some thing ayat or so in total :( .. yet I was surprised to find statements which were correct... and on humongous level.

Why I looked on evolution theory an advace form of ape here on GS told me to look at theory of evolution. so I did.

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I had both of them back home.
First one was so hard to read back in days...
Well bal-jabreel was not easy either.

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You are missing out. Its brilliance overload. plus study the foot note references Allama has made to other people works. these are questions that require years of reflection and reading to have a sound understanding of them.

this bhunngeee forum isnt fit place for it.

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ok :D

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