Re: Muslims converting to other religouns?
I just dont understand why god would give man jurisdiction over the rest of his fellow men.. Its like a judge telling the cops to go around and judge criminals on the spot without even a trial before the actual judge..
Re: Muslims converting to other religouns?
No one ever in the history of manklind has been punished by death for leaving Islam...So argument is based on an assumption..
Re: Muslims converting to other religouns?
Its not useless argument, there are genuine problems in Islam, contradictions, and misinterpretations, andglaring ommisions and all kinds of other confusions that lead people like me and others to question.
If you arent willing to confront these issues, then you shouldnt complain when people decide to leave the religion as some people here do..
Re: Muslims converting to other religouns?
There are many many contradictions, misinterpretations and many more ommissions in other religeons...Islam has been the best in the history of mankind weather anyone is willing to believe or not.
It has been and still is the fastest growing religeon in the world despite negative ani-muslim propaganda....again weather anyone want to believe or not. Fact remains. Just read and listen to the News all over the world if you have means to do that.
SOME muslims may not be the best but Islam is the best religeon there is.....
May Allah help us all.
Re: Muslims converting to other religouns?
abkmujahid brother, believing in the truth and abandoning it..is a PERSONAL decision. Even in the Quran..it says that we are not obligated to follow anything we don't want to. Faith does not come in the form of OBLIGATION..there has to be a WILL..if the will diminishes..the only thing we can do is try to do is reestablish the faith in a person. We can do this through by listening, talking, and explaining things to a person..not FORCE (by the use of constant threats) it back into a person. From my experience with people who have left Islam..this only brings about resentment and anger. We won't ever know if a person may have a change of heart again..and come back to the Faith. Since we don't have know or understand how a person is thinking..it is unfair to kill them.
I know you don't mean to offend anyone..but I feel that the thinking "just because i believe it to be truth..everyone else should also follow" is very dangerous. This is my opinion. but....
Allah swt knows best.
Re: Muslims converting to other religouns?
Hey you dimwit, you are comparing Allah to a human…that explains your intelligence. If you think that there are problems in Islam, go find a religion that does not have problems and while you are at it make sure you start a vibrant online community such as this with the help of your newfound religion. Afterall these muslims are full of faults to let demanted asshole like you come in here and showcase your hatred and misunderstanding of Islam.
P.S. Each and every word is written to offend your sorry arse.
Re: Muslims converting to other religouns?
You r very much right I fully agree with you
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Ok Mr. patriot I chalange u that u can not find a single contradiction or mistake in Quran as long as you r logical, u have only some misconceptions that is all.
Do they not Consider with care had it been any one besides Allah you would have find many contradictions (Al-Quran)
may Allah lead u to true path
Re: Muslims converting to other religouns?
Wa alaikum asalaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,
With all due respect sister zarea, I think you have misinterpreted what I wrote. The following posts should explain what I meant.
I also believe you used the ayah out of it’s place (as this is a thing which has become a habitual action on this forum site- posting ayaat and ahadith out of context). The tafsir (or explanation) of the the ayaat of the quran is a subject matter of the scholars who have spent years studying it. Scholars like ibn Kathir, ibn Abbas, and Qurtubi are some of the famous mufassireen (people qualified to do tafsir). It should be noted that there is a certain way of doing tafsir by the proper methods. For BASIC info on this topic, you can check out the following link:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Tafseer/Ulum/
Before going on to the ayah you mentioned, I would also like to quote a few ayaat relating to what you said. Allah (swt) says,
“If it had been your Lord’s will, all of the people on Earth would have believed. Would you then compel the people so to have them believe?” [Sûrah Yûnus: 99]
“So if they dispute with you, say ‘I have submitted my whole self to Allah, and so have those who follow me.’ And say to the People of the Scripture and to the unlearned: ‘Do you also submit yourselves?’ If they do, then they are on right guidance. But if they turn away, your duty is only to convey the Message. And in Allah’s sight are all of His servants.” [Sûrah Âl `Imrân: 20]
Concerning the ayah you mentioned where Allah (swt) says,
“Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 256]
Ibn Kathir said the following about the ayah (in the brackets)
*{It means, "Do not force anyone to become Muslim, for Islam is plain and clear, and its proofs and evidence are plain and clear. Therefore, there is no need to force anyone to embrace Islam. Rather, whoever Allah directs to Islam, opens his heart for it and enlightens his mind, will embrace Islam with certainty. Whoever Allah blinds his heart and seals his hearing and sight, then he will not benefit from being forced to embrace Islam.‘’ *
*It was reported that the Ansar were the reason behind revealing this Ayah, although its indication is general in meaning. Ibn Jarir recorded that Ibn Abbas said [that before Islam], "When (an Ansar) woman would not bear children who would live, she would vow that if she gives birth to a child who remains alive, she would raise him as a Jew. When Banu An-Nadir (the Jewish tribe) were evacuated [from Al-Madinah], some of the children of the Ansar were being raised among them, and the Ansar said, We will not abandon our children.’ Allah revealed, "There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the right path has become distinct from the wrong path.‘’ (Abu Dawud and An-Nasa’i also recorded this Hadith). *
*As for the Hadith that Imam Ahmad recorded, in which Anas said that the Messenger of Allah said to a man, "Embrace Islam.‘’ The man said, "I dislike it.‘’ The Prophet said, "Even if you dislike it.‘’ -*First, this is an authentic Hadith, with only three narrators between Imam Ahmad and the Prophet . However, it is not relevant to the subject under discussion, for the Prophet did not force that man to become Muslim. The Prophet merely invited this man to become Muslim, and he replied that he does not find himself eager to become Muslim. The Prophet said to the man that even though he dislikes embracing Islam, he should still embrace it, `for Allah will grant you sincerity and true intent.'}
Without a doubt, I agree, that it is not permissible in Islam to FORCE a person into becoming Muslim. The proofs above are sufficient for this. This is a decision that a person must make PERSONALLY, and they must have the WILL to become a Muslim. This is their fight, or their jihad against their desires and their struggle to find the truth. May allah guide them to truth.
As far as your statement that, “JUST because I believe it to be truth… everyone else should follow”. It is not true. Neither was it my intention. The reason I call people towards Islam is because the people will benefit themselves by woshipping and obeying the one who created them. You see- The Mu’min, the true believer, is a compassionate and merciful person to other people because they are all human and descendants of Adam. So how can I be such, if I refuse to warn and tell people about something that will save them from a danger far greater than anything they can imagine (hell).
What kind of Muslim, then, will I be if I refuse to call people to Islam, that which will bring unity in their hearts and truility and peace in the nafs? Even if there is no compulsion for man to seek Islam, It will certainly be a shame upon the human intellect when man is not even interested in finding out as to what is the truth!
This reminds me of a story that one of my ustadh told me. It was about a Muslim family that had a non-Muslim neighbor. The Muslim family never talked to the neighbor about Islam. And the neighbor was curious to know about the faith of her neighbors (the muslim family), so she took it upon herself to learn about Islam, and with the help of other Muslims, she became Muslim. After becoming Muslim and learning more about Islam, she went to her neighbors (the Muslim family), and… you’re probably thinking she gave them salaams. No, she scolded them. The reason was because she was upset that the Muslim family had never told her about Islam before, and that they had neglected their duty (to Allah) of dawah. After listening to this as (I was in a halaqah), I thought to myself) MAN!, what have we done to tell our neighbors about Islam? What have we told even to the non-Muslims we might hang out with? What have we done to fulfill this duty to Allah? All I could think of was the fact that instead, I see Muslims backstabbing Muslims (not literally). So intead of giving dawah, we’re pushing people away from Islam- JUS SOMETHIN TO THINK ABOUT
(‘obligation of dawah’)
http://www.troid.org/articles/dawah/fundamentalsofdawah/thecallandthecaller.htm
(‘qualities of the caller’)
http://www.troid.org/articles/dawah/fundamentalsofdawah/qualitiesthecallertoallaah.htm
(‘rights of our neighbors’)
http://www.troid.org/store/cds/latest.htm
I hope you find the following link useful- it has a bunch of articles and free books on the methodology of dawah- it includes the book ‘Methodology of the Prophets in giving Dawah’ (RECOMMENDED SITE FOR EVERYONE) - http://www.troid.org/articles/dawah/methodologyofdawah/
And Allah Knows Best concerning all matters
Re: Muslims converting to other religouns?
RULING ON PERSON WHO APOSTATES
EVERYTHING I HAVE MENTIONED SO FAR IS ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO NEVER BECAME MUSLIM IN THEIR LIFE.
As for the person who realizes the truth (meaning that he accepted Islam), and then leaves it ( he apostates). The conditions for him are completey different as his situation is very different. It is obvious, and the proof for that from Islam is the following:
Allah’s Wrath against the Apostate, except for the One Who is forced into Disbelief
مَن كَفَرَ بِاللَّهِ مِن بَعْدِ إيمَـنِهِ إِلاَّ مَنْ أُكْرِهَ وَقَلْبُهُ مُطْمَئِنٌّ بِالإِيمَـنِ وَلَـكِن مَّن شَرَحَ بِالْكُفْرِ صَدْرًا فَعَلَيْهِمْ غَضَبٌ مِّنَ اللَّهِ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ - ذلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمُ اسْتَحَبُّواْ الْحَيَوةَ الْدُّنْيَا عَلَى الاٌّخِرَةِ وَأَنَّ اللَّهَ لاَ يَهْدِى الْقَوْمَ الْكَـفِرِينَ - أُولَـئِكَ الَّذِينَ طَبَعَ اللَّهُ عَلَى قُلُوبِهِمْ وَسَمْعِهِمْ وَأَبْصَـرِهِمْ وَأُولَـئِكَ هُمُ الْغَـفِلُونَ - لاَ جَرَمَ أَنَّهُمْ فِى الاٌّخِرَةِ هُمُ الْخَـسِرونَ
(106. Whoever disbelieves in Allah after his belief - except one who was forced while his heart is at peace with the faith - but whoever opens their breasts to disbelief, on them is wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a terrible torment.) (107. That is because they preferred the life of this world over that of the Hereafter. And Allah does not guide the people who disbelieve.) (108. They are those upon whose hearts, hearing (ears) and sight (eyes) Allah has set a seal over. And they are the heedless!) (109. No doubt, in the Hereafter they will be the losers.) Surah Al-Nahl
Ibn Kathir comments :
*Allah tells us that He is angry with those who willingly disbelieve in Him after clearly believing in Him, who open their hearts to disbelief finding peace in that, because they understood the faith yet they still turned away from it. They will suffer severe punishment in the Hereafter, because they preferred this life to the Hereafter, and they left the faith for the sake of this world and Allah did not guide their hearts and help them to stand firm in the true religion. He put a seal on their hearts so that they would not be able to understand what is beneficial for them, and He sealed their ears and eyes so that they would not benefit from them. Their faculties did not help them at all, so they are unaware of what is going to happen to them. *
لاَ جَرَمَ] (No doubt) means, it is inevitable, and no wonder that those who are like this -
أَنَّهُمْ فِى الاٌّخِرَةِ هُمُ الْخَـسِرونَ] (in the Hereafter, they will be the losers.) meaning, they will lose themselves and their families on the Day of Resurrection.
إِلاَّ مَنْ أُكْرِهَ وَقَلْبُهُ مُطْمَئِنٌّ بِالإِيمَـنِ] (except one who was forced while his heart is at peace with the faith) This is an exception in the case of one who utters statements of disbelief and verbally agrees with the Mushrikin because he is forced to do so by the beatings and abuse to which he is subjected, but his heart refuses to accept what he is saying, and he is, in reality, at peace with his faith in Allah and His Messenger . The scholars agreed that if a person is forced into disbelief, it is permissible for him to either go along with them in the interests of self-preservation, or to refuse, as Bilal did when they were inflicting all sorts of torture on him, even placing a huge rock on his chest in the intense heat and telling him to admit others as partners with Allah. He refused, saying, "Alone, Alone.‘’ And he said, "By Allah, if I knew any word more annoying to you than this, I would say it.‘’ May Allah be pleased with him. Similarly, when the Liar Musaylimah asked Habib bin Zayd Al-Ansari, "Do you bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah’’ He said, "Yes.‘’ Then Musaylimah asked, "Do you bear witness that I am the messenger of Allah’’ Habib said, "I do not hear you.‘’ Musaylimah kept cutting him, piece by piece, but he remained steadfast insisting on his words. It is better and preferable for the Muslim to remain steadfast in his religion, even if that leads to him being killed, as was mentioned by Al-Hafiz Ibn Asakir in his biography of Abdullah bin Hudhafah Al-Sahmi, one of the Companions. He said that he was taken prisoner by the Romans, who brought him to their king. The king said, "Become a Christian, and I will give you a share of my kingdom and my daughter in marriage.‘’ Abdullah said: "If you were to give me all that you possess and all that Arabs possess to make me give up the religion of Muhammad even for an instant, I would not do it.'' The king said, "Then I will kill you.'' Abdullah said, "It is up to you.‘’ The king gave orders that he should be crucified, and commanded his archers to shoot near his hands and feet while ordering him to become a Christian, but he still refused. Then the king gave orders that he should be brought down, and that a big vessel made of copper be brought and heated up. Then, while Abdullah was watching, one of the Muslim prisoners was brought out and thrown into it, until all that was left of him was scorched bones. The king ordered him to become a Christian, but he still refused. Then he ordered that Abdullah be thrown into the vessel, and he was brought back to the pulley to be thrown in. Abdullah wept, and the king hoped that he would respond to him, so he called him, but Abdullah said, "I only weep because I have only one soul with which to be thrown into this vessel at this moment for the sake of Allah; I wish that I had as many souls as there are hairs on my body with which I could undergo this torture for the sake of Allah.‘’ According to some reports, the king imprisoned him and deprived him of food and drink for several days, then he sent him wine and pork, and he did not come near them. Then the king called him and asked him, "What stopped you from eating’’ Abdullah said, "It is permissible for me [under these circumstances], but I did not want to give you the opportunity to gloat.'' The king said to him, "Kiss my head and I will let you go.'' Abdullah said, "And will you release all the Muslim prisoners with me’’ The king said, "Yes.‘’ So Abdullah kissed his head and he released him and all the other Muslim prisoners he was holding. When he came back, Umar bin Al-Khattab said, "Every Muslim should kiss the head of `Abdullah bin Hudhafah, and I will be the first to do so.‘’ And he stood up and kissed his head. May Allah be pleased with them both.
Narrated by Abdullah that the Prophet (saw) said, “The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allahand that I am his Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases. In Qiyas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostates) and leaves the Muslims.” (Bukhari, Volume 9, #17)
All the proofs from the Quran and sunnah indicate that it (apostacy) is punishable by death, so for those Muslims who wish to follow your desires and say it isn’t ok. You should realize you are forbidding something which is halal in the shariah and has been commanded by the prophet (saw) himself. This is practiced in a shariah state (of which there exists none today since the fall of the ottoman rule). It was practiced during the time of the sahabah.
Also, the sister mentioned that we should give time for them to come back to Islam. According to the majority of opinions of scholars, a certain amount of time is alloted for the person to come back to the light of guidance, or the person will be executed.
The following question was posed to one scholar,
QUESTION- The punishment for the apostate is execution. Why such harshness?.
ANSWER- http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=12406&dgn=4 The answer is very direct and proof is provided from the statement of the prophet (saw) and the quran.
here is another link about apostacy and the differences in amount of time to give to apostates to repent- http://members.aol.com/oldtestmt/nocompel.htm
For those Muslims who are too ‘shocked’ to believe that this is a part of Islam, do not be shocked. Most of the Muslims who are shocked might feel embarassed that this is part of their deen, astaghfirullah. Know, that our deen is complete and PERFECT, as Allah (swt) says, “This Day have I perfected your Deen for you, completed My Favours upon you and have chosen for you Islam as your Deen” (soorah Al-Maaidah 5:4)" Thus, there is no need for an addition or subtraction from the deen. Those Muslims who are thinking, “O man, what if someone I know asks me about this. What am I going to say to them” Know that they can do no harm to you except that Allah has decreed it. Instead, you should be thinking, "What will Allah, the lord of everything that exists, do to me, for having this trace of hypocrisy against his commands! Know that the enemies of Islam will always try to attack Islam and make false statements and take other things out of context. So, if you are so concerned about them, instead of deliberately trying to take this aspect of your deen out, try to learn more about the deen so you can defend it against such oppressors. Do not try to be like the unknowledge person in the market (i mentioned this in my first post in this thread). Know that even if you do not know the reason for one of the commands of Allah, that doesnt mean it is wrong- a great nonsense that would be!
Here is an article that gives a list of things which if a Muslim does, can make him an apostate- http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=31807&dgn=4
If I said anything wrong, know that it is my mistake, and If i said anything right, Know that it’s from Allah. If I offended anyone, please forgive me.
Whoever disagrees has the right to do so if he has the daleel (from the Qur’an and sunnah) to prove he is right. All of us should make dua for each other to see that we are guided, and that we don’t fall into such dangers.
AND ALLAH KNOWS BEST
Re: Muslims converting to other religouns?
Not really…But brothers have a way of getting pissed when someone turns their back on them…
Kaleem is just upset…I am sure he meant may Allah :swt: show him the path before it’s too late…
Re: Muslims converting to other religouns?
Ok.. Biggest problem I have is this… That god authorizes man to judge and to punish people they consider to be apostates etc. If god is all he’s supposed to be, then why does he not realize that the religion is open to interpretation and that there will come a time when people will interpret the religon in a different way. These people with their different interpretation will come into conflict and fighting will be inevitable because god has authorized the people to use force!
Its like a giving a ten year old a gn and telling them to shoot anyone they see breaking the rules! Its just irresponsible.
Islam emphasizes on reforming society, it gives us details on how a society should function etc. Why does it not realize that a society is made up of individuals and its not about reforming the society but the individuals in the society, which is very dangerous. I find that Muslims tend to be very shallow because of this, for them its not about what the individuals are doing but that the society is doing. So you have the birth of groups like the Taliban, which forced the society to conform to strict religous guidlines without realizing that many of the indviduals in that society were miserable within that society. You also have the example of the MMA in NWFP, which would rather see as a very pious society without paying any attention to the plight or needs of individuals in the society, so you saw the closure of music shops and harrasment of artists because they as individuals are no longer relevent. The Hasba bill may seem on the surface to be trying to reform individuals, but in reality the aim of the Hasba bill is to force every individual to conform to the society and not to the spiritual needs of the individual himself.
The Burka for example, itself is not a way to help women spiritualy but to reform society in general at the expense of the women as individuals.
God says he will judge us as individuals on the day of judgement but then at the same time, he autorizes our own fellow men to judge us and punish us even before that… Its irresponsible if you ask me…
And then I dont understand why if we will be judged as individuals, we have to live and conform to the rules of society. If I as an individual will be judged for my deed individualy, why do I need to be involved in conforming to the society, Ishould be my own person, I should follow Islam as I see it and as I interpret it. But no, god would never allow such things, infact God would want his followers to actually punish me for being and individual..
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What a misconception my dear Patriot!
There is no such think as lack of individual responsibility, cleansing and relation to Allah in Islam. One person represents the whole society. This is just new type of complain I am hearing about Islam. I think many people just sit and try hard to find "something worng"
with Islam no matter how they twist the facts. Islam does emphasize on individual acts being good. Now if majority of people in one society become wrong doers than poor individual has paid the price too....historically Allah destroyed some nations in past.
Islamic view is that we were born to worship Allah as freely as we can.
No force or coersion applies to people who are outside Islam and considering to convert to Islam. They should be made aware that this is one way traffic if they convert. In case someone born in muslim home and later wants to convert to another Islam or wants to leave Islam then in my opinion they should be allowed AS LONG AS they are not making it public announcement to harm Islamic faith and people.
But in essence, this law strongly applies to those who converted to Islam and then changed back to being non-muslim.
Now please read carefully and with open mind....once a person announces that he or she is no longer a muslim and advertises, publishes etc. then this person no longer wants to be an 'INDIVIDUAL'. Then society around him has all the rights to deal with this person. He should be dealt by society by due process but NOT BY AN INDIVIDUAL!
Don't you see that Islam is still not allowing one person to take charge otherwise injustice may occur.
You may have an issue with why not allowing that person to announce but its logical and natural to keep harmony since in Islamic view this person is not correct and now has become a source for disrupting the society.
Having said that no one in Pakistan or perhaps in any place to my knowledge been punished.
This Islamic law doesn't apply to person who is non-muslim to begin with.
They should be allowed to practice whatever they want and can ask and can challenge muslim faith 'nicely'.
On the other hand muslims should not make remarks to incite others (unless someone wants to pick up an argument) then they should be told the problems in their religeons and why Islam is better.
And Allah knows the best.
Re: Muslims converting to other religouns?
Assalamualaikum,
no it's not like giving a ten year old a gun. Did you see any ten-year old khalifah?
(you are starting to give very weak comparisons)
Islam does realize there is a need for reform of the individual- this is known as tarbiyyah- discipling of the individual. Almost the whole quran teaches us lessons on reforming the nafs (self / spirit)
People are considered apostates, not by what other people see fit, but by Allah. He has laid the foundations and rules for apostacy in the quran and sunnah. So people use that to determine who is an apostate THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE ON WHETHER APOSTACY IS ALLOWED OR NOT> SINCE THE TIME OF THE PROPHET (SAW), THIS RULE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED WITHIN THE UMMAH< BUT FOR A LONG TIME THERE HAS BEEN NO KHALIFAH!
there are few differences that exist (such as the amount of time to give a person to repent from apostacy) And obviously Allah knew this would happen. But we know that in fiqhi issues, when a mujtahid makes a ruling, he has to make an effort. If he is wrong, he still gets one good deed (as long as the effort was made). If he is right in that, he gets two good deeds. This is the beauty of Islam.
Sorry, you are not allowed to interpret Islam as you see fit, the reason being, scholars have spent years studying the deen, there is a proper way of interpretating things in the deen, like ayah and hadith, and rulings, etc. If you wish to study the deen and become a scholar, there is no one stopping you.
If everyone interpreted Islam as thought fit, There would be no need for Islam. Everything here is based on whims and desires- false guidance. true guidance is by obeying Allah in all matters. you could possibly not do that if you did not follow the sunnah as it is ordained in the quran to follow the example of the prophet (saw). And his sunnah shows us that there is a proper way for doing anything (though it may not directly be quoted).
Your view on the burka is false. If you refer back to the Quran, you will see why these things are also meant to reform the individual.
You are using the Taliban as en example. No wonder (no hate to the taliban), but if you want to see why we are supposed to be conforming to society- just look back at the time of the prophet (saw), that will suffice.
Being judged individually and conforming to a society have almost nothing to do with each other. Conforming to society (the true Islamic society) is a command of Allah. Just because you don't know the reason why doesnt mean it's not right. It is also a test for us. Allah sees how we deal with the family, the community, and in general- the soicety. This is one of the ways we will be judged- according to our Mu'amalat (our actions with others). Conforming to society is what makes a society advance (in life, in technology, in righteousness). This is one of the many reasons.
THIS ANSWERS ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS, in my opinion, THIS THREAD SHOULD BE LOCKED, There is no need to continue. everything to say has obviously been said.
Pakpatriot
I thought you were Muslim- you keep quoting Muslim and followers of God in the third person
I would like to know, are you an athiest?
Re: Muslims converting to other religouns?
deedawar,
I am surprised you've not heard of Sumoon Bukmoon Uumyoon Fahoom La Yarjioon...Its futile arguing with dipsticks...
Re: Muslims converting to other religouns?
Yes I see your point CheGuvera! Thanks. (Smile)
We also say, Wama Alena Ill'al Balagh!
Re: Muslims converting to other religouns?
abkmujahid brother, i have one more question
I had a friend once, who had been born muslim. When she was younger..her parents did not give her any formal training in Islam and they did not educate her. When she got older (age 7 or 8)..they started sending her to Arabic school and and some islamic classes. She learned how to read arabic and continued going to these classes. I lost touch with her for awhile. Recently we met up again..and I gave her the news that I had become a muslim alhamdulillah. She gave me the news..I have left Islam. I asked her why. She told me that she never understood Islam..and had accepted Islam only because it had been expected of her. She had never done it from her heart. She told me that she was very young and too naive to understand what she was getting herself into. Now..because she is older and "wiser" as she says it..she has abandoned it all together. So..if a person has never actually "accepted" Islam..but was born a muslim...how would we deal with them? We would naturally expect a born muslim to just accept that they are muslim..but she says...."well razea..if my heart was never into it...and I never in my life accepted it...why should i follow it?" This is why I am asking all these questions..because she keeps on telling me that she never actually accepted it..so I don't know what to say to her. I'm trying to talk to her and help her..but she just brushes me off.
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Re: Muslims converting to other religouns?
Well, this is a good example of someone who still does not w make it public and tols a friend when asked…if I got the correct impression from Razea.
This friend in my opinion does not deserve any punishment. If she remains quiet and follows whatever she believes I am Ok and will let Allah decide on it. I would however not break any ties with her if she wants and be nice and pray for her return or change whaever you call it. Her parents are to be blamed here but no judgement should be passed for their punishment ot whatever.
Its Allah’s decision to forgive anyone or not. We cannot say since Allah said this or that then Allah is ‘bound’ to do that. I know Allah keeps his promise but who are we to judge.
On the other hand if she tries to go on public and hurt our views and feelings then we have a right to think of her whatever we know based on Islamic view and we may not believe her that she was never a muslim by heart to begin with! In other words if we are giving her benefit of doubt then she do the same.
Hope I am right. If not correct me.
Re: Muslims converting to other religouns?
what makes you the main muslim to say such a thing