Why do some people think its okay to kill people who want to convert to other religion?
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because they r stupid :)
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This is against basic human rights!
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Did you try to find the Islamic ruling for Murtid along with the references or you are just posting it here to get an answer from any average Joe?
Do you know the conditions when such a punishment is prescribed?
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I am lazy and that is why i am asking people to post.
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did u realize that you will get totally anti-islamic answers in this thread from muslims as well.. such questions should have received answer from the source first... once you have the answer you can ask as many opinions as u may wish...
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Because it is akin to treason!
In other countries treason leads to capital punishment. Similarly, a male muslim who converts to another religion and continues to obstinate in his mistake, he must receive capital punishment. Mind you, this is for only men of sound mind, not boys or women.
'Treason is' defined: "not only as an attempt to overthrow by illegal means, the government to which a person owes allegiance, the act or attempted act of working for the enemies of the State, and attempt to kill or injure the sovereign, but also betrayal of trust, disloyalty (to a cause, friend, etc.)."
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^And then they say their is no compulsion in religion.
Sorry bro you are mistaken Islam is not a country.
BTW do you have any reference for what you are saying or it's you opinion.
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Well said LB!
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There is a stark difference in apostacy in a Muslim land openly and that which is done in secret or in the heart. The one who does it openly is clearly declaring war against the state; this is considered an act of treason and would be akin to someone commiting an act of treason, which is punishmed by death.
The Western world limits treason to political and military terms. In the USA, treason consists "only in levying war against Americans, and in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort." However, sometimes even the Western world stretches the concept of political treason to include things which are not related to politics or military matters. For example, in England, treason includes violating the King's consort, or raping the monarch's eldest married daughter, as well as the sexual violation of the wife of the eldest son and heir. Even now, "polluting" the Royal bloodline or obscuring it is included in the definition of treason.
Just as upholding and protecting the constitution of a country is sign of patriotism, and undermining it is a form of treason-in the same way open rejection of the fundamental beliefs of Islam by a Muslim is an act of treason. Apostacy, i.e., the public declaration of rejecting the fundamentals of Islam, has also negative influence on the Muslim society; it is indeed a major fitna.
And that is why Islam has prescribed harsh punishment for apostacy. It must be emphasized that apostacy which we are discussing here involves open rejection, without any force and with the realization of what one's statements or actions imply. The punishment prescribed by the Shari'a for apostacy is death.
The ruling of apostacy comes into effect when a person publicly makes his apostacy known, the "public declaration" can take the form of publicly denying a fundamental aspect of faith e.g. *belief in the angels or abandoning and denying the legitimacy of an obligation such as Prayer. *
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so any links from the holy book or somewhere else?
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before we explore this subject, i would ask all of u to leave ppl’s beliefs out of the conversation (even though its really hard for some here) and talk about it from a logical point of view.
so according to some members islam as a religion is like a mouse trap? you can come in but can’t go out?
what purpose does it serve to force somone to remain a muslim when his/her heart doesnt believe in it? aren’t munafeqeen considered worse than kuffaar?
what about the ppl who are born into the religion of islam and later they want to convert to another religion. should they not have the liberty to choose the religion that satisfies their conscience? they didnt choose to be born into islam.
if somone leaves islam for another faith, it is NOT treason. beliefs are a personal matter and the state has no business in defining which beliefs a person should have. It would be considered treason if they plot against the muslim state or if they help the enemy.
if a muslim state is given the right to kill ppl who leave islam, then would u give other states the right to impose the same rule over their citizens?
when ppl are asked to provide evidence for killing an apostate, all they can come up with is that Hazrat Abu bakar (ra) killed the apostates. He didnt’ fight them because they abandoned Islam. Rather they were forming armies to attack the muslim state and killing muslims who lived in their midst.
if anyone is interested in reading about the punishment of apostasy in islam, here is a book written by the nobel loureate Sir Mohammad Zafrullah Khan http://www.alislam.org/books/apostacy/index.html
in this book he talks about the punishment of apostasy from a historical and religious point of view. the book is also divided into different sections, so u can read only the portion u r interested in.
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so according to some members islam as a religion is like a mouse trap? you can come in but can't go out?
what purpose does it serve to force somone to remain a muslim when his/her heart doesnt believe in it? aren't munafeqeen considered worse than kuffaar?
what about the ppl who are born into the religion of islam and later they want to convert to another religion. should they not have the liberty to choose the religion that satisfies their conscience? they didnt choose to be born into islam.
if somone leaves islam for another faith, it is NOT treason. beliefs are a personal matter and the state has no business in defining which beliefs a person should have. It would be considered treason if they plot against the muslim state or if they help the enemy.
if a muslim state is given the right to kill ppl who leave islam, then would u give other states the right to impose the same rule over their citizens?
when ppl are asked to provide evidence for killing an apostate, all they can come up with is that Hazrat Abu bakar (ra) killed the apostates. He didnt' fight them because they abandoned Islam. Rather they were forming armies to attack the muslim state and killing muslims who lived in their midst.
very good post. :)
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danial, you find it as a good post but did you see the ruling given in Quran as prescribed to Bani Isreal when they made the golden calf to worship?
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Of course a government can't legislate or mandate religion or how it is practiced. That is one of the most archaic, impractical and absurd ideas ever.
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^ and full of so many flaws. its like opening a pandoras box.
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ofcourse, if the definition of religion is just a mere rituals in one's book.
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I don't care what the definition of religion is -- in my book it is impossible, ridiculous and anti-religious to think a government could or should enforce it.
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Hudood Allah… are the rules and Orders of Allah and we cannot change it on our own thinking…
e.g… Viraasat maiN Bhai ka Full Hissa… Sister ka.. Half..
Say… Zanna karnay walay ki sazza… 80 koRay (durray) if Married then Sangsaar (Stoned till death)
And lots more Examples..
If we or our govt … say well… To Sangsaar someone… or To hit him Durray… or Cut the hands of thieves… we will sound Barberic… and wat will WEST think… wat will ppl say abt Islam… we are Moderate Muslims… blah blah…
There is nothing as Moderate Islam… ISLAM is… Just Islam… and by Nature its Modern… coz.. its Deene Fitrat… Its rules are Build upon the Nature.
So… Murtad ki jo Punishment hay… Wo hay… if someone say its not good.. not moderate.. its compulssion… or Islam is Harsh watever… Qayaas n Ijmaa are allowed on the things those are not Clear from Quran n Ahaadees… The things those are clear… U dont have to ask for ppl’s opinion on that…
There is slight sa… diff among diff school of thoughts.. in Tafaseer and the interpretation… So… From wateve school of thought U belong to… Go to Some ALIM ( not mullah 
) and… Ask him… Inshallah U will get Satisfactory Answer.
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hey man, i am all for peole converting out if they are nto happy. its like people on my team, if you are unhappy and rather be somewhere else, go, cuz being unhappy on my team, you are not really doing yourself or the team any good.