Actually I ain’t the one whose train has run off the tracks. It was you who created tangents in this thread. The opener simply reinterated past accomplishments of muslims. The opener of the thread never emphasized current achievements of muslims. You threw in the subject of muslims not having achieved anything substantial in the recent century or more. And your reason for this was all muslims are hell bent of jihad and other extremist activities. I think you should recap your posts and your line of reasoning.
So how many of those countries (lets give names here) who are worse in education and corruption than Pakistan have contributed to the advancement of science and made earth shattering inventions. Probably none. So again this means the religion aspect of it has nothing to do with lack of achievement but rather the degeneration of the population as a whole is the contributing factor.
The people whose examples you are giving have no world reputable innovations attributed to their names. And since you’ve made a case about them being religious nutcases it proves that religion did not get in their way to climb the professional ladder or education. Which also renders your whole argument a moot point. Religious extremism might have been the cause of their downfall but it wasn’t a hinderance to achieving a good educational status is life.
So again my point, religious extremism is not the reason for Pakistani nation being abundant with under achievers and jahils. Its lack of education … all kinds (not just religious). By lack of education I do not mean someone just holding a degree, what I mean is the development of mental capacity and intellect which would be in harmony with the maturity of the rest of the world. I also mean the inability to fathom what is good for them in the long run (and yes religious extremism is not favorable in this context, it is abhorable). Also the basic sense to organize themselves and achieve more by relying on each other i.e. teamwork and collective responsibility. We only take pride in personal achievement not collective achievement.