Muslims behind the bars
There was this program I watched and it said that in America more that 80% of people that was in prison became Muslim… And one of the prisoners said, “Even though I am in prison I feel more comfortable with myself and it has given me the opportunity to see a different way”. I was amazed… Do you guys think this is true? 
If you convert only 80%, you are still not a full muslim. You gotta do it all or nothing.
Allah :swt: is not shy to use the strangest means possible to guide people…He can use great miracles and a tiny 5 legged mosquito to guide people…
The prison system loves Muslims, because Muslims are the best behaved lot…
**"Surely Allah is not ashamed to set forth any parable (that of) a gnat or anything above that (Sûrah al Baqarah 2.26). **
that is what i mean
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If you convert only 80%, you are still not a full muslim. You gotta do it all or nothing.
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That is not what I meant.... I meant that 80% of the american people that is in prison became full muslim...
Re: that is what i mean
Look up Sarcasm in the Dictionary!!!
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*Originally posted by Madhanee: *
If you convert only 80%, you are still not a full muslim. You gotta do it all or nothing.
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u dont necessarily have to exhibit ur 'wisdom' everywhere....
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*Originally posted by armughal: *
u dont necessarily have to exhibit ur 'wisdom' everywhere....
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Its excess wisdom.
I doubt that the christians, hindus, jews or whoever are "sad to see them go". Does Mike Tyson becoming a muslim do anything to improve the image of Islam? Are raw numbers of muslims the most important thing?
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*Originally posted by Stu: *
Are raw numbers of muslims the most important thing?
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once ni they get a chance to become better muslims....
its just like saying "r bad students better than those who chose not to attend school in the first place"....
ofcourse they r....
I think there is a deliberate effort to spread the message of Islam in the US prisons. Many Islamic organizations are involved in this. Though, by no means I am sure about that 80% statistic. Seems exagerrated.
Another factor is that those in prisons are usually those who failed in their lives and got into a life of crime. They see little purpose in their life. In such a mind-set when someone provides them a faith-based system that gives them some purpose (good deeds and after-life), this will be a very receptive crowd; not to mention that it will be a fairly captive crowd (no pun).
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its just like saying "r bad students better than those who chose not to attend school in the first place"....
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It is? These are convicted criminals. Statistics say that over half of them will return to jail at least once after they're released. But as long as they pray 5 times/day they're cool in your book?
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*Originally posted by Stu: *
But as long as they pray 5 times/day they're cool in your book?
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It shows you haven't understood (or more likely, are incapable of understanding) an ounce of what's been said above...
If you are in school and are doing 'bad', it does not mean you are better or smarter than someone who isn't in school. There is home schooling, self education and other ways to gain wisdom. Same with belonging a religion. A 'bad' Muslim isn't any better than a 'good' non-Muslim. That is an erroneous conclusion due to your egocentric point of view. Praying 5 times a day or saying "Muhammed is great" alone doesn't make you better than a non-Muslim or any closer to God.
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Seminole's suffering from Stu-syndrome too... the point is that as Muslims we should not turn anyone away and deny them an opportunity to learn about Islam... it's not a case of "we don't like you, so you don't deserve a chance to improve yourself"... the thread is about prisoners converting to Islam, comparing bad Muslims with good non-Muslims is mute and misses the point...
you're the one missing the point, a good muslim doesn't necessarily equate to a good person. Are you able to differentiate between the two?
No one is accusing or reccomending that Muslims turn away anyone or deny them an opportunity. The point is that the numbers game doesn't mean much if a person is Muslim in name only, along for the ride so he can chill with his brothers.
Considering the convicts are most likely the least educated segment of the society at large and are attracted to Islam also is an interesting concept. I guess the rigidness of Islam fits well in the pscyche of the prison system.
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*Originally posted by Stu: *
you're the one missing the point, a good muslim doesn't necessarily equate to a good person. Are you able to differentiate between the two?
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to be a good muslim, one has to be a good person.
someone who prays 5 times a day and then goes mugs ppl or does drive by shootings is not a good person and thus not a good muslim.
if you said it the other way around it would be true, a good person does not mean that the person would be a good muslim, I know ppl whoa re very decent ppl, but do not follow their religious obligations and thus are not good muslims as they ignore some of their religious duties.
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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
No one is accusing or reccomending that Muslims turn away anyone or deny them an opportunity. The point is that the numbers game doesn't mean much if a person is Muslim in name only, along for the ride so he can chill with his brothers.
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To say that someone - a new Muslim even, fresh from prison - is "Muslim in name only" is just an accusation... unless you give people a chance how will they improve themselves in the new life they've chosen for themselves? Think about it...
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*Originally posted by Stu: *
a good muslim doesn't necessarily equate to a good person.
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In your view...