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to be a good muslim, one has to be a good person. someone who prays 5 times a day and then goes mugs ppl or does drive by shootings is not a good person and thus not a good muslim.
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I think you're in the minority there Fraudia. From what I've seen, muslims are hesitant to judge another muslim as "bad" in any way believing that this is Allah's responsibility alone. It's a big part of the problem within Islam.
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Considering the convicts are most likely the least educated segment of the society at large and are attracted to Islam also is an interesting concept.
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Yes, it shows that Islam appeals to ALL segments of society... I've witnessed some ten conversions in the last couple of years... one of these was a school teacher and another a financial analyst...
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I think you're in the minority there Fraudia. From what I've seen, muslims are hesitant to judge another muslim as "bad" in any way believing that this is Allah's responsibility alone.
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I don't know about this. Not only I see muslims being labeled left, right and center (meaning all the time), but at the first available opportunity they are likely to be kicked out of the fold of Islam (literally) altogether. Beat that! :)
But Fraudz point is well taken. By definition, a good muslim first has to be a good person. You can't put the cart in front of the horse.
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It's a big part of the problem within Islam.
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Based on your obviously very limited understanding... what you said is plain rubbish...
what % of muslims would call OBL a "good muslim" vs. a "bad muslim"?
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You want me to go around and question every Muslim so that you can be satisfied... wake up and get real... I've yet to meet ANY Muslim who has anything good to say about him and that is the overriding trend… however, you might like to ask the USA what they thought of him during the Cold War...
Have any of you ever actually visited a prison to preach?
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I think you're in the minority there Fraudia. From what I've seen, muslims are hesitant to judge another muslim as "bad" in any way believing that this is Allah's responsibility alone. It's a big part of the problem within Islam.
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sounds like hate the sin not the sinner :)
I mean the fact is that in the end it is not up to us to see who is or who is not a good muslim, we can form opinions based on what we see them engage in at a certain point in time, and maybe they will repent, and maybe they will become good muslims. or maybe the wrong act we are witnessing is one moment of weakness for an otherwise good muslim.
As there are people who would not like to comment on how good of a muslim is one person, there are many who would declare someone non muslim..let alone a not so good muslim based on their opinions.
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what % of muslims would call OBL a "good muslim" vs. a "bad muslim"?
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let me ask all of them individually, My great great grandkid would post the response.
okay thats kinda late i guess. so lets start with ppl i know my family and extended family and friends, None think that he is a good person or a good muslim.
Are there ppl who think of him as a hero due to regional politics and what nots, sure there are, kinda like even after his death there are hitler fans everywhere. I have yet to meet one of them though but i do see them protesting in his support in video footage of bazaars in one country or another..
for some reason i still doubt the uthenticity of the report. : (
That is what I think...
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to be a good muslim, one has to be a good person.someone who prays 5 times a day and then goes mugs ppl or does drive by shootings is not a good person and thus not a good muslim.
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Well Mr. Fraudia I agree with you but I don’t think all the people that is in prison are bad people…. Some accidents happen and people go to prison for a long time… :(