Muslims and Unity

Peace all,

I approach to a Muslim and ask him regardless to his/her beliefs, let me help you and you help me, so we each other become stronger in all terms, and can protect ourself under one round sheet. Than in return you will help another Muslim and I do the same as you by helping another Muslim same as we helped each other, regardless to our beliefs, differences. Today we are two but tomorrow we will be four and one day there will be no Muslim left as weaker.

It’s like covering the whole Ummah under one round umbrella. Two Muslims can hold one sheet of a one side of this umbrella. To make it one complete one big gaint umbrella, we need whole Ummah to hold up portion of each side of this umbrella around it so that we can cover/protect ourselves, and this is only possible when we keep a side our differences and issues.

Sometime, we hear or say that all good habits (following of rules and regulations, serving justice etc.,) can be seen/found in westerns. Have we heard or said why these good habits are mostly seen in them?. Why not in Muslims too?
The simple answer which I think is the differences in our beliefs and these differences are preventing unity among Muslims. In that case how suppose we are going to invite a non-muslim? When a non-muslim see us pointing fingure on each others, figthing each others on different issues about our belief, surely the non-muslim will say ‘Aray yaha to buhat locha hy, mein jahan tha wahi sahi hoon, akhir kaar hum sb ki baat aik hay or hum aik dosary ko support bhi to kartain hain’.

The distance among Muslim Ummah, getting wider day by day yet we are still in search of any smallest point and any single lined issues where we can stand against our Muslim brother to point on his/her belief just to satisfy ourself.

P.S. Just a thought.

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What's depressing and related to this is my signature, given that it was written nearly 1000 years ago, and nothing has changed since.

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the irony is you are trying to promote unity amongs a section of humans regardless of his/her belief by dividing them as different from the rest for their belief.

try this instead for a less immoral/petty approach.

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I approach to a human and ask him regardless to his/her beliefs, let me help you and you help me, so we each other become stronger in all terms, and can protect ourself under one round sheet. Than in return you will help another human and I do the same as you by helping another human same as we helped each other, regardless to our beliefs, differences. Today we are two but tomorrow we will be four and one day there will be no human left as weaker.
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Peace Queer,

oky I try what you wrote above with you, at the end will you believe what I believe?

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dear lkk,

you start off by promoting equality irrespective of belief, and in the end you want me to believe what you believe? i think you are confused very much about what your real agenda is here..

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:rotfl:

queer, that is why I wrote ‘Muslims’ instead of using ‘humans’.

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I think opposite is happening, the muslims are becoming united the days of the brutal and corrupt rulers are over they where the main obstacles to our unity.

You have to realise the corrupt rulers and western governments do not want the muslim united as a ummah or a power because then they know it will be the end of them especially american colonialism.

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so if it were ‘muslims’ instead of ‘humans’, then in the end they will all believe in the same thing?

:rotfl:

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Lady Fatima in the historic sermon of Fadak said that "Surely Allah has made Our leadership the safeguard from disunity".....

It is unfortunate but reality is that the religious differences and their roots run deep and go down a very long way between Muslims......having said tht, peaceful coexistence, and cooperation r the goals tht r more practical and achievable within our ranks.........

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may peace be with you lk

i know what you are saying exactly. can i just say that i do understand your point of view. i agree with your ethics of peace to a great extent.

you see them talking about unity, however did you know they are not allowed to agree with you? yep, there is no issue that they can take up same position as you!!

*they have been instructed by their priests by way of fabrications on the imams:
(also proof of following lies, misrepresentations and halftruths)
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The Infallible Imam said: "You(Shia) are on nothing of what they(Sunnies) are on Nor are they on anything you are on, So do The Opposite of what they do..."

''Compare them with the Hadiths of the Mainstream Muslims and whatever agrees to their Hadiths then leave it and whatever opposes them then take it.''

''Ja'afar bin Muhammad was asked: May I be sacrifice for you, If two scholars(Faqihs) extract a Ruling from the Quran and the Sunnah and we have two proofs, one proof is in agreement with the mainstream muslims (Ahlul Sunnah) and the Other proof contradicts what they believe, which proof do we take?
Imam said: take what contradicts the mainstream muslims because in it you will find guidance.
He said: May I be sacrifice for you, what if both proofs agree with the beliefs of the mainstream muslims? Imam replied: then you need to check which of the two they lean towards the most and leave it and take the other.''

so its a matter of opposing them as believers, segregration from them or accepting them becoming apostates ourselves

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I am completely in agreement with queer. Until Muslims can learn to accept all of humanity, we will never be united. It is easier to unite a subset if the set itself is united as well. Perfect example is with lethal's answer... that in order for him to unite with all humanity the prerequisite is that they must believe what he believes. Such thinking (in my own opinion) is counter-intuitive to our task. We may be nice to one another as humans, while believing different things. Thus humanity will unite, and by extension Muslims will unite.

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60, 000 years ago, people were following different religions, 60,000 years from now, we may be following entirely different religions. The only commanility is we were humans then, as we are now, and hopefully will be 60,000 years from now.

(Our Science guru queer will no doubt correct the 60,000 to some other number for when humans as we are now started to exist.)

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^ I agree with that concept...

P.S. Humans achieved behavioral modernity 50,000 years ago. But we've been around a lot longer than 60,000 years so you're fine.

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Peace Shardmaany,

My POV is very simple but let me explain it with an example. I'll write names of some members who posted in this thread just to explain. Please don't take it as offensive neither I meant to offend anyone. Thanx.

Example:

Shardmanny for once you and Nussairee keep a side all your issues and differences. Try both to help each other. Helping means to create a bond of love, respect and trusting on each other as well as to defend each other from intruders who are directly or indirectly maybe involve between you two or trying to be involved. By protecting under one Umbrella means to protect you two from these intruder like MD, queer, beststarter and Southie. What these members say that shouldn't be your concern even if they said in affirmation or against, you both must focus on your goal.

Once you both successes protecting each other from the intruders, than you both may return to a zero point i.e. to the Qur'an and Sunnah. Just forget what our priest, ancestor, Mullahs, Ulama, and Scholars etc., said. Try to focus on divine Allah and His Messenger as well as to His Message of Unity. Try to understand the message regardless the difference in our beliefs and try to find the truth by mutual understanding and to believe in it / get agree on it regardless to our belief, which mean whether it is as per your belief or against it you may accept it if your common sense says it the right path. Then move to next level by choosing a topic and find the truth and so on till you both are agreed with each other on one and same thing. Perhaps, among you two, one’s belief could be right where another may accept it.

Then you two try to help another two in the same way regardless the differences until the whole Muslim Ummah agreed on one and same.

This is my POV.

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My intentions have not been to intrude. There was lot of hate being spewed abt in the name of religion in another thread = and I gave an opinion. No intent to create a chasm - if anythig I was pointing out the ridiculousness of having a chasm.

I am amazed at above post. And disappointed. No more intrusions from here.

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LLK, the islam tht I follow teaches me tht even those who reject God r my equals in humanity.........Prophet did transactions and agreements with non-believers and showed tht himself.......Prophet also visited the sick even if their faith was diff from his own........Imam Ali worked in the farms of a Jew........so all of the ppl here whether they have same faith as me or not r my equals and I must respect the rights tht they have over me as humans and I must too if I am to earn the title of a human.........Imam Ali has said that people can be governed with kufr but not with zulm......that is to say that being unjust towards humanity is a bigger crime than having a disbelief...........
as for the special ilk of shaitaan who were cheerleaders in the thread Southie has mentioned above, they have to start exhibiting human values before they can be considered and treated as one........otherwise as Quran says.....they r like cattle or even worse than cattle........

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i dont think there is intrusions from third parties, i dont think third parties are a barr on constructive dialogue. however, i doubt how much dialogue potential there is between current mainstream shiaism and muslims. a shia has to be open to the idea thatthere has been widespread falsehood inserted into shiaism for any meaningful dialogue to take place. nearly all you will find are not open to this idea

i personally do not support the idea that x superpower is attacking us so we must join with shias. this is a heavily batil concept pushed around by shias, or by moderates whose moderation is extreme.

as for nussairee i have no personal dislike of him, i see him and other shias as victims of horrible islam denying men (rawafid) of the old persian empire. my hand is outstretched for them if they able to find the courage to escape ghulu (extremism in being shias.)

however please dont take this as my hand is outstretched for them at all times, it is not. if they take up islam then we have a brotherhood otherwise i have enmity towards them, and those that support them against islam

the anti-islamic nature of shiaism disqualifies them from some of the niceties

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lk you might be higher flying super flick guy who travels the skies but when you come to talk about shiaism you have to know their base. it is not like any other faith. it is the only faith which encourages lieing. please read about taqiyah preferably at gift2shias.
once you understand taqiyah you will be able to understand why **nice words are actually lies when coming from a shiite.

**anyway for a crash course i will show you an abrupt example. please what batil wrote then compare. this is what the devil devised as supplication!

O’ Allah! Curse the two idols of Quraish and their two magicians, their two rebellious people, their two accusers and their two daughters. Rebuke them, they have consumed Your sustenance and have denied Your obligations, both have discarded Your commands, have rejected Your revelation, have disobeyed Your Prophet, have destroyed Your religion, have distorted Your book, have made Your laws ineffective, have declared Your obligatory actions as incorrect, have disbelieved in Your signs, have oppressed Your friends, have favoured Your enemies, have spread corruption among Your people, have made Your world unstable and subject to loses.
O’ Allah! **Send Your curses on them and their helpers as they have ruined the house of Your prophet, have dug the door of his house,
* broken the roof, have brought down the walls, have turned upside down the highly respected symbols (i.e. skies) to the lower status (i.e., ground). His explicit laws to the implicit jargon, have destroyed Your ‘selected’ inhabitants, have killed their supporters have put righteous to death, their children have been killed and confiscated His Prophet’s pulpit and denied rights of the successors of Prophet’s knowledge to the divine pulpit, they themselves have desired for the prophet-hood, have ascribed a partner to their Lord, thus consider their sins to be absolute, and make their abode in 'saqar' forever, and You know what 'saqar does to its inhabitants!'It leaves nothing, nor lets anything remain intact.

O’ Allah, send Your chastisement on them; to the extent of the sins of every disobedient, and the covering of the truth, and all the pulpits which they have used, and the believers whom they have hurt and the disbelievers whom they have rewarded,And to the number of pious people whom they have troubled, and those who have driven out of their cities, and their support for the disbelievers, and their atrocities towards (Your appointed) Imam and have changed the obligatory laws, and have destroyed the traditions of the Holy Prophet, and whatever evils they have concealed, the blood which they shed, have changed the goodness and have altered the commands, have created disbelief, the lie for which they have cheated, the inheritance which they have plundered, and stopped the booties from them and have consumed the prohibited wealth,And that 'Khums' (the fifth part) which they considered as lawful for them, and those evils which they planted, and that cruelty which they regularly practised, that oppression, which they spread, those promises, which they dishonoured, those covenant which they broke, those lawful matters which were reverted to be unlawful, and those forbidden acts which were made lawful, That hypocrisy which they have concealed in their hearts, and to the amount of treachery which they bore in their hearts, and that atrocity which targeted masooma’s(s.a) stomach and inflicting lethal harm, and that 'pahlu' which they broke, and that door which they burnt-down, the Prophet’s writing which they shredded and those ‘haq’ gatherings which they dispersed and those degraded ones which were honoured, and those honourables who were insulted,And (curse them) by the number of rights which they have usurped, and the orders of (Your) Imam(a.s) which they opposed, impinge Your wrath on them to the extent of their atrocities.

O’ Allah! implicate Your curses on them to the extent of alterations they have introduced in Quran and the cover-ups in their lies, tempering with the divine wills, Lords deeds which were made redundant , and those promises which were disregarded, and those verdicts which were made void. Refusal of their allegiances, presentation of excuses, introduction of breach of trust, their acts of climbing on hills (for their lives) and those fixed rules which they turned other way round and all that defects which they possessed. Bestow Your curses on them.**
O’ Allah curse those two, secretly as well as openly, persistently, everlasting, non-stoppable one and innumerable times. Such a whipping that commences in the morning but does not ends at night. Such a beating should be on those tyrants, and their helpers, their associates, their friends and their fans (‘Muslameen’), those who have attracted to them and those who acknowledge their deeds, those who present proof for them, and on those who standby their followers and those who follow their words, and those who approve their actions.

(Then recite four times).
O Allah! Send such a harsh chastisement upon them, that the dwellers of Hell start screaming for mercy,
O Lord of the Universe! accept this prayer from me.

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^ On a lighter note, I just noticed Pathan Bhai joined May 9, 1999, and has 999 posts. How many 9s is that? Awesome!

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Those were the days, eh. We were playing the world cup that we came so close to winning. raises his fingers off the keyboard towards the sky to celebrate the 1,000th post