Muslims and allowable interactions with Non Muslims

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Re: Re: Re: Muslims and allowable interactions with Kafirs

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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
What a shame that some of Jesus' best teachings in the Bible have been thrown away by subsequent religions.

"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven."
Matthew 5:44-45

"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself"
Matthew 22:37-39

"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you." Luke 6:27

Jesus taught that it is God's will (law) for people to love each other whether we want to or not. It is a lofty ideal and obviously something that most of us don't do. But it is a noble and benevolent goal that surely God would favor. It seems a step backwards in human and spiritual development to not allow ourselves to love others because of self righteousness.
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Sure...And all this love was so apparent during the Spanish inquisition, the witch trials, the massacre of Native Americans, World Wars I and II, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and most recently by your 'Christian' leaders like the Bushes who have a head count of more than 3 million people dead in Iraq and Afghanistan...

Sure it was the Muslims who created the dreaded weapons of mass slaughter...Sure it was the Muslims who created biological and Chemical weapons...

Perhaps you remember this from the Bible: You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. (NIV)

And addressing people like your Christian leaders the Quran states: *When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" *

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Calm down. I'm not claiming any moral superiority, I'm talking about the teachings of Jesus that none of us fully follow. It doesn't mean they are wrong. I will follow his advice here and not post a similarly long list of attrocities commited by Muslims. So is yours a God of love or a God of hate? Does he wish you to be malevolent or benevolent to others that do not share your faith?

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I believe my God is one of love, but the message He has sent has been been misinterpreted and distorted to suit ones needs.. as a lady once explained to me, when we are younger we are taught to fear Islam, but when we get older we are taught it as a religioin of love..

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You are welcome to post any list of atrocities committed by the Muslims provided they are not from any anti-Islamic sites, as the history on those sites is fabricated and false…

As for ‘our’ God, Allah, He is a merciful God…But in what ways is He merciful? He forgives and knows that man is a creature of so much intelligence that it doesn;t know what to do with it, and commits errors and mistakes…That’s why He is willing to forgive…

As for Him wishing us to be benevolent or malevolent is concerned, a Muslim is a messenger, a messenger of peace…The word Islam means peace and the greeting Asalam-o-Alaikum means peace be on you…He stands up for the weak and forgives trespasses against him, but should a need arise that peace is threatened and persecution is taking place, that same messenger of peace is to become the wrath of God…He is to rip out and annihilate those who would do wrong and put the fear of God in the hearts of those who wish to do wrong to others…

Unfortunately, that is not the view that is given by many Muslims today…The wrongdoers have no fear of Muslims…All these wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and Bosnia and Kosovo and Kashmir and everywhere where Muslims are killed today would not have been taking place had Muslims been in power today…It is our weakness that we have strayed from the path of Allah :swt: who wishes us to administer justice and peace upon the earth, but we are to weak to grasp the responsibility…

Most Muslims today act like pets, to be trampled upon…One thing I totally agree with the Marines of the US…It was a motto of Muslims at one time…Death before dishonour…

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Lawajb, it may be an off topic but can a Muslim use the greeting aslamulekum to a kafir or a stranger when he meets him?

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*Originally posted by Yogi: *
Lawajb, it may be an off topic but can a Muslim use the greeting aslamulekum to a kafir or a stranger when he meets him?
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No. Salam or Salamalaikum is reserved for Muslims, but if you meet a non-Muslim, go ahead and greet him in the way that he does. For example if it's a Christian say 'hi' or 'hello', if it's a Hindu say 'namaste' or 'namaskar' (without the hand folding)...Greet them in any way unless the greeting goes against the teachings of Islam...

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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *

... if it's a Hindu say 'namaste' or 'namaskar' (without the hand folding)...Greet them in any way unless the greeting goes against the teachings of Islam...
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FYI, "namaste" effectively means, "The God in me recognizes and respects the God in you." Since, AFAIK, Islam doesn't believe in God being present inside humans/ animals/ plants/ objects, this greeting might be against the teachings of Islam. What are your views on this?

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*Originally posted by Rohit: *

FYI, "namaste" effectively means, "The God in me recognizes and respects the God in you." Since, AFAIK, Islam doesn't believe in God being present inside humans/ animals/ plants/ objects, this greeting might be against the teachings of Islam. What are your views on this?
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Then I'd say namaskar...How about that?

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^ It’s meaning is the same as “namaste”. :flower1:

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Then I’d say hi or hello…From what I’ve seen of Hindus that I’ve come into contact with, they are not very particular about their greetings and most of them say hi or hello anyways…:flower1:

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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *
As for Him wishing us to be benevolent or malevolent is concerned, a Muslim is a messenger, a messenger of peace...The word Islam means peace and the greeting Asalam-o-Alaikum means peace be on you...
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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *
No. Salam or Salamalaikum is reserved for Muslims, but if you meet a non-Muslim, go ahead and greet him in the way that he does.....
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So my conclusions is that inf your mind Peace not't be on a Kafir. See as I understand the Mullah mind, the meaning of words is not what rest of the world understands them to be. Thesis proven once again.

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off topic (this is really cute).. my bros friend whose a hindu, learnt how to say 'Assalam o Alaikum' and 'Khuda Hafiz' so he could greet his muslim friends, aunts and uncles this way.. if a hindu can respect our religion in such a way, why cant we greet them with a 'Namaste' and show a bit of appreciation?

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If I had said that it is our duty to greet everyone with a Salam regardless of who they are or what they believe in, I would have been titled as a bigot, but now since I say we should greet them in their own language and way, I am titled as a bigot…Will you guys ever be happy?:mad:

This as I understand as a confused mind to be. Thesis proven once again.

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*Originally posted by sadzzz: *
off topic (this is really cute).. my bros friend whose a hindu, learnt how to say 'Assalam o Alaikum' and 'Khuda Hafiz' so he could greet his muslim friends, aunts and uncles this way.. if a hindu can respect our religion in such a way, why cant we greet them with a 'Namaste' and show a bit of appreciation?
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sadds you and your friend sound good hearted people who respect people. That has nothing to do with his being a Hindu or you being a muslim. good people are good regardless of their religions not because of it. You sound like someone who has not studied his religion, please don't study it either. You will become either a murtid or a Lajawab - both options worse than being plain Sadds.:)

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Or you will become a Yogi and live a life of recluse in the mountains and die lonely and confused…:frowning:

So find peace of heart in knowledge and sureity…:k:

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Re: Re: Muslims and allowable interactions with Kafirs

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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *

Yes, it is haraam to love the Kafirs...The Kafirs hold no love for us,
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this is not true!!! I can name a lot of 'kaafirs' who hold love for us. Just to mention a few: what about all the docs and nurses of the Red Cross, who risk their lives to help ppl in the so-called Muslim countries? they are mostly kaafirs. What about other developmental institutions that send numerous amounts of money, food etc to these countries? Clearly, there must be some sign of love in them that they are doing this much