One day I was thinking about it. In west its easier to value things and find value of the things.
So I came to conclusion muslims are a low maintenance community, because of their self tuning and self monitoring nature.
Less drug related issue, if not none.
Less broken families.
etc etc…
Do you think muslims are less intense on resources of their host countries ?
Is there a place to look for such statistics ?
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I didn’t understand the less resource intensive part. Is it because Muslims recycle more, conserve more, waste less, and live a green lifestyle?
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less drug related culture, less broken families? what is afghanistan?
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West as in US/Canada or UK, France and Germany?
Let’s see news from Birmingham, UK within the past month.
Pakistani Man arrested on terrorism charges
18 year old with a very Muslim Pakistani sounding name crashes car after high speed police chase
Husband with a very Pakistani sounding name attacks pregnant wife for hiding his drugs
“Asian” looking guy stealing fuel](Hunt for thief who has stolen £600 worth of diesel from Birmingham filling stations in robbery spree - Birmingham Live)
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ok, Say for example compare to white culture,
1-no drug related accidents.
2-no rehabilitation clinics.
3-no foster family child set up needed.
compare to sardars:
1-no drinking driving.
2-lot lot less gundagardy so less courts laywers etc..
queer this is no argument, I am making a comparison in culture were ever one lives, so its easy to see or think.
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I dont want to argue with news items.
Just talking about Govt money spending on muslims as whole.
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33% of working-age Muslims in Great Britain had no qualifications in 2004, which is the highest rate of any religious group. At 12%, they were also the least likely to have degrees or equivalent qualifications.
2% of Muslim households live in overcrowded accommodation. Average family size for a Muslim family is 3.8, which can contribute to overcrowding. 34% of Muslim households contained more than five people. 63% contained at least one dependent child, and 25% contained three or more dependent children.
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Unemployment rates were higher for Muslims than any other religion, for both men and women. Muslim male unemployment rate was 13% in 2004, and for women it was 18%.
unemployed people with more kids than the national average are unfortunately a bane on the governments they are settled in
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^^ This!
I actually think we’re pretty bad in terms of all of that. Despite being in “the West”, there are still so many unemployed and uneducated.
I worked at a foster care place in my teens and there were plenty of small Muslim children from abusive households living in Foster families. It was a very sad sight.
Also, I think the sardars and alcohol stereotype is getting old now. Many sardars I’ve come across and work with don’t drink at all. You can thank Bollywood for that stereotype. And I’ve yet to see a drunk driving case involving a sardar. Correct me if I’m wrong?
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yes you are wrong. I lived in sardar neighbourhood for a long time. So its not a stereotype.
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^ are Southies less or more of a drain on resources than muslims? Note: 14.769 pct of Southies are muslims. So please account for that while you answer.
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So have I. And I still continue to do so. And I have not seen a single case of it.
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**********For the pleasure of all the Islamophobes here it is.Resources
MUSLIMS IN AMERICA – A STATISTICAL PORTRAIT
This article is excerpted from the richly illustrated book Being Muslim in America, published by the Bureau of International Information Programs. The entire book is available in PDF format.
Today’s Muslim American population is an extraordinary mosaic of ethnic, linguistic, ideological, social, economic, and religious groups. Native Muslim Americans are well integrated into American society, while many newcomers are just beginning to adapt to American life. In terms of religious devotion, Muslims range from highly orthodox to moderate to secular. Muslims resemble Christians, Jews, Hindus, and other American religious communities in that many of them seek full political and social integration, while others prefer to live primarily in the context of their communities and cultural practices. Many of the immigrants come from Muslim-majority countries and inevitably go through a period of adjustment as they learn the ways of a pluralistic society.
The size of the Muslim-American population has proved difficult to measure because the U.S. Census does not track religious affiliation. Estimates vary widely from 2 million to 7 million. What is clear, however, is that the Muslim-American population has been growing rapidly as a result of immigration, a high birth rate, and conversions.
According to a 2007 survey by the Pew Research Center, 65 percent of the Muslim-American population are first-generation immigrants, and 61 percent of the foreign-born arrived in the 1990s or this decade. Seventy-seven percent of Muslims living in the United States are citizens, with 65 percent of the foreign-born being naturalized citizens. As a point of comparison, 58 percent of foreign-born Chinese living in the United States are naturalized citizens.
A recent study by the Center for Human Rights and Global Justice at New York University’s School of Law found that many Muslims were among the more than 40,000 people who have waited more than three years for a decision on their naturalization applications, a process that should take no longer than 180 days.
Estimates of the African-American Muslim population have ranged from approximately one-fifth to one-third of the total for all Muslim Americans. The other major ethnic groups are Arabs and South Asians (Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, and Afghanis).
Even though most Americans identify Islam primarily with Arabs, two-thirds of Arab Americans are Christian. However, most Arab immigrants since World War II have been Muslims, and Muslims are the fastest-growing segment of the Arab- American population. South Asians constitute the fastest-growing Muslim community, perhaps accounting for a quarter of all Muslim Americans. The Muslim population of the United States also includes Turks, Iranians, Bosnians, Malays, Indonesians, Nigerians, Somalis, Liberians, Kenyans, and Senegalese, among others. In addition, there is a small but growing population of white and Hispanic converts, many of them women who have married Muslim men.
Although Muslims live in every corner of the nation, many have settled in major metropolitan areas along the two coasts and in the Midwest: New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Detroit/Dearborn. The 10 states with the largest Muslim populations are California, New York, Illinois, New Jersey, Indiana, Michigan, Virginia, Texas, Ohio, and Maryland. There are also established communities near state universities, which often have sizable numbers of foreign-born Muslim students and faculty.
The 2007 Pew survey found that Muslim Americans generally mirror the U.S. public in education and income levels, with immigrant Muslims slightly more affluent and better educated than native-born Muslims. Twenty-four percent of all Muslims and 29 percent of immigrant Muslims have college degrees, compared to 25 percent for the U.S. general population. Forty-one percent of all Muslim Americans and 45 percent of immigrant Muslims report annual household income levels of $50,000 or higher. This compares to the national average of 44 percent. Immigrant Muslims are well represented among higher-income earners, with 19 percent claiming annual household incomes of $100,000 or higher (compared to 16 percent for the Muslim population as a whole and 17 percent for the U.S. average). This is likely due to the strong concentration of Muslims in professional, managerial, and technical fields, especially in information technology, education, medicine, law, and the corporate world. There is some evidence of a decline in the wages of Muslim and Arab men since 2001, although more recent data suggest the trend might be reversing.
The Muslim-American journey is unique in that it is part of two quintessentially American experiences: the African American and the immigrant. Immigrant Muslims and African-American Muslims have worked to establish their voices in politics and society, sometimes together, but more often on their own. While they share an identity as Muslims, their racial, cultural, socioeconomic, and historical circumstances have differed widely. In working toward full political participation, immigrant Muslims have a great deal to learn from the successes of African-American Muslims, particularly in building institutional capacity and communicating effectively with other Americans.
Level of Education / Muslims / General Public
Graduate Study / 10% / 9%
College Graduate / 14% / 16%
Some College / 23% / 29%
High School Diploma /32% / 30%
No High School Diploma / 21% / 16%
Annual Household Income / Muslims / General Public
$100,000 / 16% / 17%
$75,000 - $95,000 / 10% / 11%
$50,000 - $74,999 / 15% / 16%
$30,000 - $49,999 / 24% / 23%
Less than $30,000 / 35% / 33%
Age and gender distribution of Muslims in the United States
Age 18 – 29: 29%
Age 30 – 49: 48%
Age 50 – 64: 18%
Age 65: + / 5%
Male: 54%
Female: 46%
U.S. mosques by dominant ethnic group
South Asian: 28%
African American: 27%
South Asian and Arab, mixed evenly 16%
Arab: 15%
All other combinations: 14%
How important is religion in your life? (All faiths)
Very important: 72%
Somewhat important: 18%
Not too important: 5%
Not al all important: 4%
Don’t know: 1%
Mosque Distribution in the United States
Calling itself the Global Muslim eCommunity, IslamiCity.com has compiled information about Muslims in the United States since 1995. Its online database tallies more than 2,300 mosques, Islamic schools, and organizations in the 50 states. Listed here by state is the number of mosques in the IslamiCity.com database in December 2008. The statistic for the District of Columbia is from the Islamic Center of Washington, DC. The total is 1,018.
Alabama: 20
Alaska: 0
Arizona: 10
Arkansas: 1
California: 198
Colorado: 8
Connecticut: 17
Delaware: 2
District of Columbia: 8
Florida: 42
Georgia: 40
Hawaii: 1
Idaho: 3
Illinois: 43
Indiana: 14
Iowa: 5
Kansas: 2
Kentucky: 9
Louisiana: 17
Maine: 1
Maryland: 18
Massachusetts: 13
Michigan: 55
Minnesota: 3
Mississippi: 9
Missouri: 7
Montana: 2
Nebraska: 1
Nevada: 3
New Hampshire: 3
New Jersey: 56
New Mexico: 7
New York: 131
North Carolina: 20
North Dakota: 4
Ohio: 41
Oklahoma: 8
Oregon: 10
Pennsylvania: 43
Rhode Island: 2
South Carolina: 12
South Dakota: 2
Tennessee: 10
Texas: 58
Utah: 5
Vermont: 0
Virginia: 27
Washington: 10
West Virginia: 3
Wisconsin: 13
Wyoming: 1
Sources: Statistical data excerpted from Muslim Americans: Middle Class and Mostly Mainstream Pew Research Center, May 22, 2007. Text for this article excerpted from Strengthening America: The Civic and Political Integration of Muslim Americans, The Chicago Council on Global Affairs, © 2007
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after what i have seen, its hard to believe.
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Southies? like south indians ?
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Why u answer question with question and draining my resources?
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OK monk you forgot to list the daily practice of estanja, washing instead of using toilet paper, that Muslims do per our religious edict!
the rest of the World uses 27000 trees just for toilet paper!
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^ yeah that too.
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Water is also a resource. Any studies done on water use vs. Paper? Also, isn’t water used AFTER TP process? Would that be extra “drainage”?
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yes, there is a detailed video on ted. comparing water unit to house hold stuff.
So using pure water is always greener for such use.
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I was trying to state the following
water vs TP. Your answer - pure water is greener. But water purification costs energy too. We need to do a cradle to grave analysis to compare energy consumption per “event”. Any references for this? Did Ted talk abt this specific “use case”?
TP + water vs TP.
What say you, Mr. Monk?