Why there are so many acts of violence against women in Muslim Communities when Quran and Hadith strictly forbid any type of violence against them???
Is it because muslims mainly are ignorant of the teachings of their own religion?
Is it because those muslims misinterprete the teachings of Islam?
Or is it just the anger that muslim men can’t control?
Or is it something else?
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i hope that all you guys who participated in hijab and niqab debates would equally take part in this thread and benefit us with your precious knowledge.
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All of the above.
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I agree it is all of the above with other factors.
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why are you saying its exclusively MUSLIM nation's problem. voilence against women is equally widespread in all religions and nations. this 'muslim men beating wives' is western media's mantra.
Muslims should not have this problems because we r given the rules of life which cud make life as perfect as possible in this world. so the reason wud be not following Allah's rules and laws.
its ignorance.
lack of knowledge.
not obeying Allah completely. we take from quran what we like and ignore what we do not like. Allah says in Quran to muslims ...enter the religion completely and do not follow sahitans foot steps..
it means that if we reject or find excuses for some orders then its following shaitans footsteps.
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it's a worldwide problem...hareem that thread should be a good one for the L&R Subforum. Men and Muslim bashing at it's best!
Why there are so many acts of violence against women in Muslim Communities when Quran and Hadith strictly forbid any type of violence against them???
1) Is it because muslims mainly are ignorant of the teachings of their own religion?
2) Is it because those muslims misinterprete the teachings of Islam?
3) Or is it just the anger that muslim men can't control?
Or is it something else?
I don't know why you are relating violence against women to Muslims only??
You just GOOGLE "violence against women", you will find your answer.
It has no relation with Islam.....
You also pointed it out that those who participated in Hijab thread should answer this thread, why???? You became angry that some brothers are telling that it is Fard.....so you became angry...... If you don't like to wear Niqab or Hijab... Don't do it..... This is between you and Allah.... Nobody is forcing you.
Unnecessary violence against women is strongly condemnable act in Islam. Those who are doing it are mostly uneducated, ignorant people who are just born Muslims and have no formal education let aside Islamic education.
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Of course it's a problem in every society but Muslims usually use religion as an excuse to commit these acts, for example, that father who killed his daughter because of not covering her head.
In Surrey where I used to live, a Muslim Turkish man killed her (sister or daughter) because she was dating some guy.
If you look at the stats in Western countries, Muslim Community has a significant amount of crimes committed against women in the name of Islam.
And by saying that "it's everywhere" will not hide the facts nor it'd resolve the situation.
All we Muslims can do is to talk about hijab, niqab and beard and that's it. Hypocrites.
Why don't I hear how Prophet(SAW) and Sahaba(ra) treated women? Instead I get blamed and condemned for bringing up this issue.
Before we try to find the solution to the problem, we need to accept that there is a problem.
I don't know why you are relating violence against women to Muslims only?? You just GOOGLE "violence against women", you will find your answer. It has no relation with Islam.....
You also pointed it out that those who participated in Hijab thread should answer this thread, why???? You became angry that some brothers are telling that it is Fard.....so you became angry...... If you don't like to wear Niqab or Hijab... Don't do it..... This is between you and Allah.... Nobody is forcing you.
Unnecessary violence against women is strongly condemnable act in Islam. Those who are doing it are mostly uneducated, ignorant people who are just born Muslims and have no formal education let aside Islamic education.
Well, thanks for proving my points.
All you can rant about is niqab and hijab. Who the hell are you to tell me that I should wear or what I shouldn't?
And what do you mean by "unnecessary" violence? Is "violence" necessary in some situations?
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interesting thread hareem01 :)
what happens to Muslim women is terrible. Part of it has to do with culture and development. The treatment of African or Hindu women, I think, wouldnt be drastically different from that of a Muslim woman you just find a different justification for it. Part of the blame also has to go to Muslim women themselves. In Pakistan, family roles are often strongly influenced by a matriarch, the whole saas bahu dynamic is driven by women. And ofcourse a big chunk of it has to go to the men who utilize selective readings of religion to legitimize abuse and inferior status.
The issue will be driven by people who care about this enough. Sadly usually feminist NGOs are also associated, rightly or wrongly, with westernization and irreligion.
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Duchess sahiba! Zaban zara sambal ke rakein....You may be duchess but it does not mean to cross the limits...
All we Muslims can do is to talk about hijab, niqab and beard and that's it. Hypocrites.
maybe it is popular topic among awam but generally speaking not all Muslim talk about this issue all the time. Even if they do then there are valid reasons for it because these are one of the most neglected obligations. But I do agree with you that other topics should also be talked about along with these
Who the hell are you to tell me that I should wear or what I shouldn't?
subhaanAllah, you have serious issues about controlling your anger. Please stop attacking people with straw man: putting words in their mouth. Did he say what you should wear or what you should not? In fact, he said the opposite that do whatever you want and that is your fair.
honestly, I am amazed at your speech and level of husn al-dhan for fellow Muslims.
And what do you mean by "unnecessary" violence? Is "violence" necessary in some situations?
define violence. If you want to go by general definition then such necessary "violence" is found in sharee'ah, i.e., hitting your wife, hitting the child when he does not pray after he reaches a certain age
interesting thread hareem01 :)
what happens to Muslim women is terrible. Part of it has to do with culture and development. The treatment of African or Hindu women, I think, wouldnt be drastically different from that of a Muslim woman you just find a different justification for it. Part of the blame also has to go to Muslim women themselves. In Pakistan, family roles are often strongly influenced by a matriarch, the whole saas bahu dynamic is driven by women. And ofcourse a big chunk of it has to go to the men who utilize selective readings of religion to legitimize abuse and inferior status.
The issue will be driven by people who care about this enough. Sadly usually feminist NGOs are also associated, rightly or wrongly, with westernization and irreligion.
Yes, and even if a muslim woman try to raise her voice against this she'd be labelled a feminist and then receieve hatred from fellow muslims.
Just look at some replies, i was expecting people to talk in favour of woman and against the cruelty in the name of Islam but all they can concentrate on the justifications for hitting women and children.
They want more torture, more killings, more blood.
Duchess sahiba! Zaban zara sambal ke rakein....You may be duchess but it does not mean to cross the limits...
maybe it is popular topic among awam but generally speaking not all Muslim talk about this issue all the time. Even if they do then there are valid reasons for it because these are one of the most neglected obligations. But I do agree with you that other topics should also be talked about along with these
please control your anger before telling other men to do the same. Stop attacking people with straw man: putting words in their mouth. Did he say what you should wear or what you should not? In fact, he said the opposite that do whatever you want and that is your fair.
honestly, I am amazed at your speech and level of husn al-dhan for fellow Muslims.
define violence. If you want to go by general definition then such necessary "violence" is found in sharee'ah, i.e., hitting your wife, hitting the child when he does not pray after he reaches a certain age
This is just sad guys. no comment from me, i can only hope that one day muslims will appear as a mature and positive nation.
^sister hareem, you need to be more balanced and do not attack people randomly. And try to understand where people are coming from instead of jumping to conclusions. Have some husn al-dhann!
Yes, and even if a muslim woman try to raise her voice against this she'd be labelled a feminist and then receieve hatred from fellow muslims.
this matter is not black or white as you plainly put it. The first question one need to ask is: Is her, or any person's voice, valid and legitimate within sharee'ah? If it is then whoever condemns that person is wrong. If that his/her voice is not valid according to sharee'ah then he/she will get what he/she deserves.
Just look at some replies, i was expecting people to talk in favour of woman and against the cruelty in the name of Islam but all they can concentrate on the justifications for hitting women and children.
Did someone disagree with you that such cruelty does not exist? If not, why are you complaining. Secondly, neither I or brother apple said something which is not accordance with sharee'ah or tried to justify our 'men-made' rules to impose on women or said that harshness is the only solution. So do you hate the fact that we brought facts from sharee'ah to clear up few things. If not then why are jumping to conclusion?
They want more torture, more killings, more blood.
prove this from the speech of any of the poster in this thread?
The truth of the matter is that we are so far away from Islam and so many of us are holding onto stupid customs and practices which are contradictory to Islam. Secondly, many of these cruel men are jahil of Islamic teachings. In addition, we are extreme because we are not balanced: we do not know when there is need for harshness and where there is not. Our speech is different from our actions.
May Allah have mercy on us and guide us all and give sabr and reward to those sisters who were oppressed and mistreated, ameen
Why there are so many acts of violence against women in Muslim Communities when Quran and Hadith strictly forbid any type of violence against them???
1) Is it because muslims mainly are ignorant of the teachings of their own religion?
2) Is it because those muslims misinterprete the teachings of Islam?
3) Or is it just the anger that muslim men can't control?
Or is it something else?
Closer to 3, but I'd suggest none of the above. Violence is systemic and habitual...people don't seek sanction for it , they just do it. Couple this with a strong tendency among Muslims to consider familial relations as almost sacred...nothing ought to leave the home, especially dirty laundry...thus, if a women complains to authorities (presuming access to authorites whom actually care), she is shut out of the community and infact victimized again for the understandable act of seeking refuge. We're told to give other Muslims the benifit of the doubt...but even when a woman is sporting a new burise every week? She must be into boxing...she must be clumsy.
We as a community have no tools to seek to address the problem...we have no means to apply social pressure, as it is always contstured as a private matter...nor do we have a history of legal remidies to the problem, as the privacy of the family was construed to trump any and all other concerns.
It doesn't stop at violence against women. Women abuse children. Children abuse their elderly parents. We'd prefer not to think about it...
I don't know why you are relating violence against women to Muslims only?? You just GOOGLE "violence against women", you will find your answer. It has no relation with Islam.....
LOL...the question was, more or less, what should be the Muslim reaction to the issue...nice way to deflate the discussion, though...
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Unnecessary violence against women is strongly condemnable act in Islam. Those who are doing it are mostly uneducated, ignorant people who are just born Muslims and have no formal education let aside Islamic education.
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Okay, let's talk about scenarios.
You find out a brother down the street is abusing his wife. You know he's a good Muslim...you talk to him at the masjid, you've invited him over for dinner...and so on. What do you do? Honestly...
Years of assimilating into the status quo of our community, I would suggest that my answer is none-to-impressive: I'd simply avoid this family at all costs. I don't want to deal with it...not my problem...none of my business. That's my honest assessment as to how I would react.
Is this okay? Is this good? What SHOULD I do?
Closer to 3, but I'd suggest none of the above. Violence is systemic and habitual...people don't seek sanction for it , they just do it. Couple this with a strong tendency among Muslims to consider familial relations as almost sacred...nothing ought to leave the home, especially dirty laundry...thus, if a women complains to authorities (presuming access to authorites whom actually care), she is shut out of the community and infact victimized again for the understandable act of seeking refuge. We're told to give other Muslims the benifit of the doubt...but even when a woman is sporting a new burise every week? She must be into boxing...she must be clumsy.
We as a community have no tools to seek to address the problem...we have no means to apply social pressure, as it is always contstured as a private matter...nor do we have a history of legal remidies to the problem, as the privacy of the family was construed to trump any and all other concerns.
It doesn't stop at violence against women. Women abuse children. Children abuse their elderly parents. We'd prefer not to think about it...
Some interesting points.
I'm deeply concerned with the fact that people use the ayah to justify the violence against their wives that has revealed to actually end the domestic violence.
Muslim jurist Ibn A'shur actually wrote in his tafsir that authorities should punish those men who beat and torture their wives and then use the ayah for justification.
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Some would justify this behaviour by saying the woman shouldnt be driving without hijab or shouldnt be driving at all. Even if what shes doing is against Islamic law that is absolutely not the motivation. People dont stare at or chase after a bunch of boys in jeans without beards listening to music.
Attitudes in Pakistan about rape of women who are Islamically compromised (not wearing hijab, in jeans, with a boy etc) can be disgusting.
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While there is abuse in other communities as well, I think the original poster wants to discuss why the muslim community, especially when such acts are discouraged specifically in our religion..
I think our culture has a lot to do with it, not our real religion. People pick and choose what is convenient for them and use religion to justify it...for example, praying namaz is fardh upon every muslim after a certain age but many of us don't really do that. However come time to marry 2nd wife, we argue that is is allowed so there's no issue there. Similarly, the extreme behavior you see in some people is because they picked some words here and there and decided to vent their anger/ego/shame and justify it. And unfortunately, our community is so uneducated when it comes to even basic Islamic teaching that we blindly accept what is done in the name of religion.
My 2 cents.
Arab woman are treated like meat on a plate.
There is no connection between religious beliefs and the abuse of woman.