Muslim women who refused full-body scan are barred from flight

[Stardust09]

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I have no hate for religious organizations but they have to make sense. and just the modesty argument falls flat on its face within 3 questions. Using the same argument pat downs should not be allowed either, why are they not arguing about that, and that goes on everywhere.

similarly, modesty about not taking your clothes off in front of anyone can get questioned about medical situations. Point is that someone can ask this and what is the response? that the person looking at it is a professional, same gender. so the response is sure, the person looking at the image are also professionals and of the same gender, then what? then we say no no but this is medically necessary for the individual’s wellbeing..and the response is yes and this is necessary for the wellbeing of this and other individuals on the flight.

so forget me, but when it comes to public relations and making logical arguments they have not made a good enough argument that people can not poke holes in.

Now in business world, we say I would rather have my team poke holes in my plan or presentation before I go to company at large, and then have company poke holes in it before i go to market.

groups like fiqh council need to be more strategic, think more and have more of a chess mentality than a knee jerk slam dunk approach. Its the same lack or deficiency of vision that makes majority of these ppl seem like bumbling idiots when they are asked questions because they have a one trick pony approach to arguments and one that pony falls they are standing with nothing.

I dont hate them, what I dont like about some of our religious organizations though is their inability to evolved with the same ppl clinging by hook or crook to their positions, even when they have been shown in a light which negatively impacts the organization. I am not against religious organizations, I am against their power games, poor operations, lack of attention to detail that gets you in trouble.

but thanks for assuming.

females pat down females and men pat down men. That’s the way it has always been no matter where I have flown be it America or Saudi Arabia. The issue of modesty doesn’t arise in those situations.

And modesty might not be a “tangible” argument for you but to Muslim women, it is a very important thing. It’s not something that you can poke holes into or require something definitive.

Also, apart from modesty and religious aspect there is the issue of human civil liberties which is shoved down our throats as being such a “fundamental” right. A person has absolutely every right to avoid any kind of invasive procedure which ultimately makes them feel that they got a worst deal than anyone else. and, IMO, these women definitely did the right thing denying the procedure.

I don’t think any one of us can judge about body scanners until we’ve actually had our own scan done. It’s pointless trying to argue about it.