Muslim women marrying non-muslim Men

[Shikra]

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This ayat is about what kind of women a man can marry.

Right. So Muslim men can marry them but Muslim women can't marry them. Besides believing in Allah, there are other things that you have to keep in mind. As I posted the link where they said that a man has authority over his wife, if a non Muslim has a Muslim wife, what if he asks her to drink wine and have anal sex with him? If she agrees, she is committing major sins. If she refuses, do you think that the relationship will work? This is just ONE example, which is not the best example, but there are many other things that non-Muslims do and Muslims do not. My point is that just because someone believes in God, that does not mean you can go marry them. Same goes for men. They should marry outside of religion only when it is absolutely necessary.

I just don't understand why everyone is trying to put a question mark where a period has been put long time ago. Yes we should seek knowledge but there are some things that we should not questions. i.e. Why should we pray? Because Allah commanded us to do so.

[Lusi]

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Not all non muslim men drink or are into anal sex, or eat pork, etc...
Now what about those Muslim men who drink and might force their wives to drink, might force their wives into anal sex, eat pork, etc...
Bottom line is that in Quran it doesn't specifies Chiristian or Jew, it only says believers or non believers and Allah defines them as those who believe in the oness of Allah/God.

[Shikra]

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What about children, will they be Muslim or Christian/Jew? Will they go to the Mosque (with who? as many moms don't go to mosque as many dads) or to the Church?

[S02]

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^ The issue is the same for a Muslim man marrying a non-Muslim woman.

[Shikra]

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^ The issue is the same for a Muslim man marrying a non-Muslim woman.

But as a Muslim father, I can take my children with me to the Mosque. Again, I am not encouraging that men can marry non-Muslim women.

[Mamaof3]

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I think the issue is more related to the paternal structure of both Islaam and Pakistan. Religion and many things are paternally based. So when a Muslim man marries a Christian or Jewish woman, the children are still automatically assumed to be Muslim. Not so in the reverse situation where a Muslim woman marries out of her faith - it is just assumed that the children will take on the religion of the father.

[Sparrow]

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My cousin married a sikh girl. I was surprised that everyone was pretty okay with it...maybe a bit shocked though. Anyway she converted to Islam (just to be with him) but now mashallah she is more Allah fearing and practicing than any of us. The family love her she has really integrated well in to the family.

Sometimes i feel that this happened because Allah wanted to show her the light and guide her...so i think she is lucky.

[Aliyish]

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Why is it invalid? What is the reason behind it being invalid? So if a Christian man says that he only believes in God and considers Jesus only a Prophet, is marrying such Christian still haram, why so when he only believes in the oneness of God?

And Jews already believe in the oneness of God, so how would marrying a Jew makes the marriage invalid?

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I think you should do a bit of research on Prophet Uzair PBUH ...

As ALLAH Almighty said

''The Jews call Uzair a son of ALLAH and the christians call christ the son of ALLAh . That is a saying from their mouth , (in this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of Old used to say . AllaH 's curse be on them : how they are deluded away for the Truth ! ''

P.s: If you are in Taqleed of Any Ayyat Ullah .. Let us know . Will get you a fatwah from him ...

[S02]

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But as a Muslim father, I can take my children with me to the Mosque. Again, I am not encouraging that men can marry non-Muslim women.

I think if a woman is dedicated to her faith, then she will take her children to the mosque, etc. If a man is dedicated, he will do the same. I think this reasoning is weak to suggest that there is such a difference.

[Shikra]

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I think if a woman is dedicated to her faith, then she will take her children to the mosque, etc. If a man is dedicated, he will do the same. I think this reasoning is weak to suggest that there is such a difference.

Then coming back to the authority, what if the man asks her wife not to raise the child as a Muslim, but rather as a Christian/Jew?

[Femme_Fatale]

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In todays day and age does the man have the final say on how to raise the children?

[Choozy]

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@Aliyish

*Do not marry [your daughters] to idolaters until they believer in Islam. A believering slave is better than a [free] idolater, though the latter please you. These call you to the Fire, but Allah calls you, by His will, to the Garden and to forgiveness. He makes plain His revelations to mankind, that perhaps they will think'' (Qur'an, 2:221) *

A female Muslim is not permissible for a disbeliever ---this is incontrovertible and certain !!!

on your topic .. Inno bahi ... i know couple of ladies .. born in muslim families .. now living with hindu guys ..

I agree...Muslim women are not allowed to marry non-muslims!! It's not permissible in ISLAM.

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A fatwa issued in August 2007 by the secretary-general of the Assembly of Muslim Jurists in America (AMJA), Dr. Sheikh Salah Al-Sawy, states that marriage between a Muslim woman and a non-Muslim man is forbidden and invalid, and that children born of such a union are illegitimate.**

[Mamaof3]

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That depends on many things FF but mostly on the country you live in or the cultural practices of the area where you are. Christians are maternally based. Muslims are paternal. Not sure about Jews. But its a cultural thing as far as how the whole marriage and resulting children are perceived no matter what the couple tells people prior to their marriage kwim?

[S02]

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Then coming back to the authority, what if the man asks her wife not to raise the child as a Muslim, but rather as a Christian/Jew?

I'm not saying that isn't an issue. I'm saying it's the same issue for women. A woman has a lot of influence on her children and their beliefs. A woman could demand the same of her husband.

[Aliyish]

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A fatwa issued in August 2007 by the secretary-general of the Assembly of Muslim Jurists in America (AMJA), Dr. Sheikh Salah Al-Sawy, states that marriage between a Muslim woman and a non-Muslim man is forbidden and invalid, and that children born of such a union are illegitimate.

Well thats a very harsh statement .. Our scholars and Jurists shouldnt go that far and call some poor child , who is not accountable for his/her ma/dad's deeds , baseborn and illegitimate....

[Shikra]

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^ I don't think they are being harsh. They are stating the fact. Children born outside of marriage are illegitimate.

In todays day and age does the man have the final say on how to raise the children?

It depends; each situation is different. Let's assume that the father does not care and says hey honey, raise our children as however you want. If the girl was a practicing Muslim, I don't think she would marry a non-Muslim to begin with. If she can go against the Islamic teachings and marry outside of religion, it sounds to me like that she doesn't care much about religion either, then the child will have no identity (religiously speaking). We don't need to worry about that the father has given permission and she will raise the child as a Muslim.

The bottom line is that according to Quran, such marriage is not valid to begin with; it is as if the girl is committing zina, and all children born are illegitimate. Feel free to question what the Quran says but I am not going to do it. Things are very clear in Islam, it's another thing we choose to ignore them. I am talking about myself as well because I am supposed to pray 5 times a day, but I don't. However, I am not going to justify it.

It seems like the discussion is going nowhere, when there is no room for discussion on this topic to begin with as Quran is very clear on this topic. I will conclude with this:

Quran is guidance, not a book full of rules and regulations, DOs and DONTs. We should apply some common sense, and in this case, it's saying don't marry outside of religion. Let's not try to focus on that Quran does not list Jews/Christians/Hindus/Budhas/Catholics etc. etc. etc. If it were to list all possible situations/scenarios, the book would be much longer.

For more, please consult your local Imam as my knowledge is very limited.

[Unkilon_ke_Abba_Jaan]

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Holy Goodness gracious me. A whole argument and a series of proving disproving each other based on a mere ‘lose’ translation???

What has the condition of us muslims really come to?

Has Any single person of you even bothered to look into the ayah quoted for believing in one Allah???

Let me solve this riddle insha Allah:

Look closely, where in arabic text, the word Yoomin is defined as believing in only ONE GOD???

The translator put those words in parenthesis without realising that it can cause such a stupid debate on an online board.

Besides, do chrisitians really believe in One ness of Allah or do they believe in Trinity?

Lastly, the words like Iman, Yoomino, aamana and similar from the same roots used in Quran are used for the believe as a Muslim.

[Aliyish]

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@Unkilon_ke_Abba_Jaan

Has Any single person of you even bothered to look into the ayah quoted for believing in one Allah???

Let me solve this riddle insha Allah:

Look closely, where in arabic text, the word Yoomin is defined as believing in only ONE GOD???

The translator put those words in parenthesis without realising that it can cause such a stupid debate on an online board.

Yes you are indeed right Unkil

*002.221 *

YUSUFALI: Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters), until they believe: A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the Fire. But Allah beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind: That they may celebrate His praise.

PICKTHAL: Wed not idolatresses till they believe; for lo! a believing bondwoman is better than an idolatress though she please you; and give not your daughters in marriage to idolaters till they believe, for lo! a believing slave is better than an idolater though he please you. These invite unto the Fire, and Allah inviteth unto the Garden, and unto forgiveness by His grace, and expoundeth His revelations to mankind that haply they may remember.

SHAKIR: And do not marry the idolatresses until they believe, and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress woman, even though she should please you; and do not give (believing women) in marriage to idolaters until they believe, and certainly a believing servant is better than an idolater, even though he should please you; these invite to the fire, and Allah invites to the garden and to forgiveness by His will, and makes clear His communications to men, that they may be mindful.

Lusi .. who translated that specimen you post’d ?

[Pareezay]

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The discussion just seems to be going back and forth.. back and forth.. back and forth.
Can someone just tell me whether a Muslim woman is allowed to marry a non-Muslim man or not?

[TeenDabbyWala]

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Also, those that are saying love makes you do this (marry a non-Muslim guy)...I would like to remind you that this is exactly why Islam prohibits mixing of opposite genders and this is exactly why one should not meet the opposite gender for dating purpose. If you wouldn't give devil a chance to cook something, he won't. "Love" happens when you meet someone enough and get to know them etc. If you follow religion to begin with, you wouldn't come to this point where you must marry outside of religion.

I don't think I need to say this but I would still say: Yes you wouldn't wanna marry someone without getting to know them, but that should take place in the presence of a mehram. And for business dealings, of course you can deal with the opposite gender, but you should be in your limits and boundaries, religiously speaking.

But then if one goes by this, then even a lot of Muslim weddings took place after carrying on prohibited activities (dating)? And 99% of Muslim man to Non-Muslim female marriages were a product of this, weren't they?