Not one guy in this thread has complimented his fellow Muslim sister for her work, her dedication, her selflessness. i read Shirin Ebadi’s mother prayed to Allah after she heard that her daughter had won the Nobel Peace Prize.
i’m sure none of us have even risen to half of what Shirin has done for her fellow Muslims, but hey - that doesn’t stop us from proclaiming ourselves better than her. Afterall, it seems like we want Allah’s job of determining who is and isn’t a “good” Muslim.
Thank God for your reply, CA, i thought i was the only one who felt this way.
How very wrong! It’s nothing to do with her being a woman, Silly. It’s just the opportune time to embarrass the Iranian authorities with it’s little difficulties with the ‘opposition’ and at same time emboldening the pro-western opposition. Just like it was given to Lech Walesa to embarrass the Warsaw Bloc. [Tell me why did Lech Walesa deserve the Peace Medal?]
If Fahd, Karzai or Musharraf or even better Sharon ( Non-Muslim - didn’t Bush testify him to be man of peace?) would have got it, the ‘reaction’ would have even ‘worse’.
Why haven’t the Nobel Peace Prize committee heard of Abdul Sattar Edhi?
Nadia, we are just a bit suspicious for motive of her being chosen? No, nobody is questioning her faith. I am glad for her and her dear mother. Insha’ Allah will reward her for “what Shirin has done for her fellow Muslims.” And that will be the best or rewards.
Shawaiz, pray that it’s Asma Jahangir next year.
Poor Pope, he was the hot favourite and this was probably his last chance.
**Not one guy in this thread has complimented his fellow Muslim sister for her work, her dedication, her selflessness. **
what nonsense..this thread has gone into a wrestliong match into the usual suspects, and is no longer a discussion about her work but about women’s rights and god knows what. I would humbly suggest that all those tangent posts be seperated into a diff thread.
as far as guys complimenting..let me quote part of my own post..
I am glad to see that she was recongized for her efforts, and hope that this is an example to others to start speaking up, or to continue speaking up against the lame BS that goes on under the guise of religion by these idiots in some countries
What’s posted reads like a compliment.
**Thank God for your reply, CA, i thought i was the only one who felt this way. **
You would get more people talking about her work if we can just seperate the tangent posts that have derailed the topic.
Maybe the topic should have been in world affairs rather than religion to avoid the usual suspects from messing yet another thread up.
Very wrong, Nadia, I have also cheered for Ebadi, but you are as usual selective. In fact it is Islamic world, which cannot consume the success of a Muslim woman.
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~the different posts on this thread just show the muslims holding 2 oppossing views.
there is the one camp which does'nt trust the west like America Britain and organisations like the UN.
and there is the other camp that looks up to the west and upholds there values like democracy and man made laws.
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The above is more a reflection of your black-and-white views then anything else. There are in fact also those who chose to use their God given brain to make up their own minds about the rights and wrongs of the US, Britain, UN and the opposing camp sitting on the 'anti-democracy and man-made-laws' platform.
Thank god you are not a mod, Fraud...Otherwise GS would remain nothing more than a mess of merged, moved and split threads...:D
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No i would have informed, the requested, then told and then warned people to not mess about in threads, and if that did not work, would have booted them :) I guess it is good for many ppl who mess threads up that I am not a mod.
P.S, mods. u may want to move Lajwab's excellent observation and my response here in a separate thread :)
The above is more a reflection of your black-and-white views then anything else. There are in fact also those who chose to use their God given brain to make up their own minds about the rights and wrongs of the US, Britain, UN and the opposing camp sitting on the 'anti-democracy and man-made-laws' platform.
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u have said nothing new Like i said before there are 2 camps
ones who don't trust the Americans britain and the UN
and the other camp that support man made laws and democracy
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*Originally posted by yahudi: *
Very wrong, Nadia, I have also cheered for Ebadi, but you are as usual selective. In fact it is Islamic world, which cannot consume the success of a Muslim woman.
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What does it have to do with a man or woman!
The debate is about the agenda of this award and what reason it was given nothing to do with if male or female.
If you want to talk about opression of the woman just take a look at the capitalist system and what it does to the western woman making them the most oppressed women on the planet!
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Very wrong, Nadia, I have also cheered for Ebadi, **but you are as usual selective.* In fact it is Islamic world, which cannot consume the success of a Muslim woman.
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Me? Selective? With what hypocrisy do you state this ? Any reply you ever post in this Forum, more than half the time it is along the lines of - "We must question a religion that instructs its followers to commit jihad". For two years, this has been your sole position on this Forum. You have selectively quoted texts, without their contexts, to validate your xenophobic beliefs against Islam. And i am the one being selective?
It’s really a laughable condition that Muslims cannot decide how to react when a Muslim woman gets highest rewards.
I think God must appoint a proxy prophet to explain what he actually meant in Quran 1400 years ago, and may be you will be able to free yourself from contexts.
Two years, Nadia? Really? Frankly I am not a believer, and do not believe in incarnation.
u have said nothing new Like i said before there are 2 camps
ones who don't trust the Americans britain and the UN
and the other camp that support man made laws and democracy
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I don't trust the Americans (not for now anyway)
I half trust the British, but not Blair
I generally trust the UN
I believe that democracy is Islamic
And that all laws are man made, though 'divine guidance' plays a part in the make up of some of them
Like I said before, your vision is restricted by the bi-polar, two dimensional glasses you wear
I think some people are falling again in the classical trap of considering the theoretical teachings of Islam with the actual situation on the ground. They look at the theoretical aspects of Islam and claim it superior to western idiology, which is quite true; but the problem remains that Iran, or for that matter really none of the Islamic countries in the present time are faithful to the theoretical concepts presented in Islam. Hence the treatment of women, and basic human rights remain far from satisfactory or close to Islamic ideal.
Thus the whole "western agenda" and the "Islamic values are superior" theories begin to look more like paranoia and utopia (respectively) than any real arguments.
No - that doesn’t put me in the camp of ‘trust at all costs’ which is what you are trying to prescribe. Yes I can change my mind, depending on whether I feel their policies are equitable, fair and proportional - its called pragmatism, flexibility and self-interest.
That’s not exactly the point here - the point was that beliefs can be other then what you prescribe - regardless of whether you agree or not. Hence the world doesn’t fall neatly into two pidgeon holes that you see.
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I think some people are falling again in the classical trap of considering the theoretical teachings of Islam with the actual situation on the ground. They look at the theoretical aspects of Islam and claim it superior to western idiology, which is quite true; but the problem remains that Iran, or for that matter really none of the Islamic countries in the present time are faithful to the theoretical concepts presented in Islam. Hence the treatment of women, and basic human rights remain far from satisfactory or close to Islamic ideal.
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Supposing theoretical Islam is superior to western ideology. But if after 1400 years, 55 countries representing over a billion people can't get it right, maybe western ideology is the practical answer. If the ideal just remains a theory and never becomes practical it will remain a failure.
So what is the 'Western Ideology'. I believe this is the same ideology that forces Hitler to kill million of jews. I believe this is the same ideology that forces Stalin to kill million of its own people. This is the same ideology which upto 13 years back, in south africa considered blacks to be third class citizens. I believe this is the same ideology which uptil only 40 years ago considered African Americans in US to a inferior race (still some place in south). I believe this is the same ideology with around 50% of divorce rate. I believe this is the same ideology with 12/13 years old girls giving birth to babies. I believe that this is the same ideology which gives permission to free sex and promote promiscuity.
Are you sure that western civilization is the answer?
