If my son is caught doing robbery I can’t really say I never told him to rob the bank…or he’s not my son because he is a robber. You can’t wash hands off and be merry on your way to salat-o-dua…this is exactly the kind of apologist bs, denial, and misdirection to gerrymander religion to keep it blameless that has resulted in never really owning your own chyte and doing anything about it. Religion has as much to do with group affiliation, identity as it may have with spiritual/moral following. You own it, deal with it…shouldn’t you rather be more worried about why you terrorists exist in your societies than how your bad it looks on your religion?
precisely my point.
I need NOT F-in look into my self or my society just because some mad men live there.
I once went to visit mental hospital. I did not come out and start watching my own mental health.
That kind of behavior only result into self hate, hate with where you belong etc…
Demonstration of that we often see even here.
Not sure what you are on about, but Muslims are at the forefront of fighting Islamic terrorism. Muslims account for a majority of the victims. Muslims are dealing with it. You sound like one of those angry preachers that eventually turn to extremism; I don’t see any difference between you and those other perpetrators.
Oh, you think these terrorist people just spring out like weed on the lawn.. kinda like an anomaly..fluke…born out of vacuum.. no one is really responsible for them because it’s kinda incomprehensible weird phenomenon..one day you are IT software engineer, next day out of the blue you are terrorist. Nope, environment, maddrassas, apologist bs, soft corner for violence when it suites, turning blind eye to radicalism etc etc are all normal social practices that got nothing to do with this weird phenomenon that’s being going around.
Mental people are kept in the hospital for cure, murderers are kept in jail for life. They don’t roam the earth at will and when you don’t do anything about training camps and inflamatory radical extermist teachings doled out in muddrassas you are basically creating a crop of terrorists. When you don’t provide tolerance to criticism to your beliefs and religion, and institute blashphemy laws you are directory endorsing terrorism against those who have every right to disagree with you and your religion. That’s how you are creating terrorists. This silent majority that does not stand up against violence against minorities and perpetuation of blashphemy laws are the enablers of terrorism.
If your text books treat murderers like ghazi ilm deen a martyr and glorifies his actions then you are surely sending the wrong message to your masses. it’s the environment/enablement I’m talking about. if your constitution declare certain sect excluded of your faith, enact blashphemy laws then you sure are glorifying acts of violence and thoughts of intolerence. So sure, no everyone will pick up the weapon and go out kill an esaaee, but some will do, – a single person killing 20 others is still a one too many people…and there will be others who don’t find in them to pick up the weapon will at least do shaabaash who do. it’s a conundrum, not a clean black and white slate divided into two. by not recognizing the issue you are marganalizing it and this will keep going on.
Finally, it cannot be an informed and functional reading of religion that motivates violence if we take the interview for what it’s worth. That Islam itself motivates violence rather than some political cause Muslims hold, is a very real claim if not slander leveled at Islam as a religion. There’s no BS and denial in countering that.
Tell me about any religious or non religious group which does not have bad apples.
If one person from a religious or non religious group commit some act in the name of the beliefs of that group you would hold the whole group responsible for his/her crime? This logic is beyond my comprehension.
Jeffery Dahmer was an atheist, based on that fact do you agree with the following post from another forum?
Jeffrey Dahmer was an infamous serial killer. He committed some very heinous acts even after he had murdered his victims. He was also an atheist while he committed these acts. The following video is part of an interview where Dahmer talks about his experience as an atheist and how he realized atheism was the reason he did what he did:
Dahmer makes a good point during his interview when he said:
“if a person doesn’t think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what’s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges?”
Of course not all atheists become serial killers but some of the most brutal dictators of the last century were atheists. It seems there is a pattern there.
Dahmer claims that since he didn’t believe in God he felt he could create his own reality and rules. To some extent atheists seem to invent their own rules to live by. The atheist dictators seem to become their own “god” and define their own morality. This is a danger to mankind. When these leaders take power they inflict enormous amounts of suffering. History has shown this to be true.
I actually saw this interview on YouTube. This is the kind of thing we need to show the world. This is the only way you can convince the world that terrorists have no religion because they don’t even know what religion is. Having said that, I do see Roman’s point. It is not just their lack of knowledge that is shaping them as terrorists. They have teachers, they have guides; they are brought up with a twisted and deviant definition of morality. They are certainly not alone in their acts. They have accomplices who are just as guilty. Well, that’s the reason they are called ‘terrorists’ and not just any criminal committing a crime.
Completely agree with you.
But I do not agree with Roman’s assertion that only Muslims should deal with them because they were born and brought up among them. He is saying that it is Muslim problem and Islam is to blame because of their background. He is saying that Muslims cannot disown these terrorists.
^It has to be someone somewhere telling these brain dead terrorists that Islam allows this. They are probably the ones teaching their own version of Islam according to their own agenda. It becomes a problem for Muslims because these terrorists are telling the world that their actions are justified by Islam and that THIS is jihad. If Muslims collectively do nothing about it, they seem right. So the ones really losing in this situation are the good law abiding Muslims of the world. Something somewhere went terribly wrong that Islam became associated with Terrorism. People like Roman and even myself would look at a lot of Muslim countries with a doubtful eye because they are hardly doing anything to stop terrorism and a lot of their own people support terrorism. How many of our muslim brothers will blink twice because drawing their guns and swords to kill a blasphemer? Not many. That is a problem.
You are grossly generalizing a couple of things. There is war going on in all those Muslim countries where this problem exists. No Muslim country has given free reign to terrorists and their sympathizers. Majority in those counties does not agree with terrorist agenda that is why instead of being rulers in those countries they are committing acts of crimes in their frustration of being powerless. If majority of 1.2 billion( approximately) Muslims starts to believe in what terrorists believe then we all would be running for our lives or may be we would be dead by now.
Since Theorist entered this thread, I keep reading the title as Muslim Theorist (ironically the answers in the first post make sense after misreading the title :()