Muslim Students: How American should they be?

This is a facinating read. It is intresting as well as funny at time.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/21/america/muslims.php?page=1

SAN JOSE, California: Amir Mertaban vividly recalls sitting at his university’s recruitment table for the Muslim Students Association a few years ago when an attractive undergraduate flounced up in a decidedly un-Islamic miniskirt, saying “Salamu aleykum,” or “Peace be upon you,” a standard Arabic greeting, and asked to sign up.
Mertaban also recalls that his fellow recruiter surveyed the young woman with disdain, arguing later that she should not be admitted because her skirt clearly signaled that she would corrupt the Islamic values of the other members.
“I knew that brother, I knew him very well; he used to smoke weed on a regular basis,” said Mertaban, now 25, who was president of the Muslim student group at California State Polytechnic University, Pomona, from 2003 to 2005.
Pointing out the hypocrisy, Mertaban won the argument that the group could no longer reject potential members based on rigid standards of Islamic practice.
The intense debate over whether organizations for Muslim students should be inclusive or strict is playing out on college campuses across the United States, where there are more than 200 Muslim Students Association chapters.

Gender issues, specifically the extent to which men and women should mingle, are the most fraught topic as Muslim students wrestle with the yawning gap between American college traditions and those of Islam.
“There is this constant tension between becoming a mainstream student organization versus appealing to students who have a more conservative or stricter interpretation of Islam,” said Hadia Mubarak, the first woman to serve as president of the national association, from 2004 to 2005.
Each chapter enjoys relative autonomy in setting its rules. Broadly, those at private colleges tend to be more liberal because they draw from a more geographically dispersed population, and the smaller numbers prompt Muslim students to play down their differences.
Chapters at state colleges, on the other hand, often pull from the community, attracting students from conservative families who do not want their children too far afield.
At Yale, for example, Sunnis and Shiites mix easily, and male and female students shocked parents in the audience by kissing during the annual awards ceremony. Contrast that with the University of California, Irvine, which has the reputation for being the most conservative chapter in the country, its president saying that to an outsider its ranks of bearded young men and veiled women might come across as “way Muslim” or even extremist.
But arguments erupt virtually everywhere. At the University of California, Davis, last year, in their effort to make the Muslim association more “cool,” board members organized a large alcohol-free barbecue. Men and women ate separately, but mingled in a mock jail for a charity drive.
The next day the chapter president, Khalida Fazel, said she fielded complaints that unmarried men and women were physically bumping into one other. Fazel now calls the event a mistake.
At George Washington University, a game of dodge ball pitting men against women after Friday prayers drew such protests from Muslim alumni and a few members that the board felt compelled to seek a religious ruling stating that Islamic traditions accept such an event.
Members acknowledge that the tone of the Muslim associations often drives away students. Several presidents said that if they thought members were being too lax, guest imams would deliver prayer sermons about the evils of alcohol or premarital sex.
Judgment can also come swiftly. Ghayth Adhami, a graduate of the University of California, Los Angeles, recalled how a young student who showed up at a university recruitment meeting in a Budweiser T-shirt faced a few comments about un-Islamic dress. The student never came back.
Some members push against the rigidity. Fatima Hassan, 22, a senior at the Davis campus, organized a coed road trip to Reno, Nevada, two hours away, to play the slot machines last Halloween. In Islam, Hassan concedes, gambling is “really bad,” but it was men and women sharing the same car that shocked some fellow association members.
“We didn’t do anything wrong,” Hassan said. “I am chill about that whole coed thing. I understand that in a Muslim context we are not supposed to hang out with the opposite sex, but it just happens, and there is nothing you can do.”
But as Saif Inam, the vice president of the chapter at George Washington put it, "At the end of the day, I don’t want God asking me, ‘O.K., Saif, why did you organize events in which people could do un-Islamic things in big numbers?’ "

The debate boils down to whether upholding gender segregation is forcing something artificial and vaguely hypocritical in an American context.
“As American Islam gets its own identity, it is going to have to shed some of these notions that are distant from American culture,” said Rafia Zakaria, a student at Indiana University. “The tension is between what forms of tradition are essential and what forms are open to innovation.”
U.S. law says men and women are equal, whereas Muslim religious texts say they “complement” each other, Zakaria said. “If the law says they are equal, it’s hard to see how in their spiritual lives they will accept a whole different identity.”
The entire shift of the association from a foreign-run organization to an American one took place over arguments like this.
The Americans won out partly because the number of Muslim American college students hit a critical mass in the late 1990s, and then, after the 2001 terrorist attacks, foreign students, fearful of having their visas revoked, started avoiding a group that was increasingly political.
Some critics view strict interpretation of the faith as part of the association’s DNA. Organized in the 1960s by foreign students who wanted collective prayers where there were no mosques, the associations were basically little slices of Saudi Arabia. Women were banned. Only Muslim men who prayed, fasted and avoided alcohol and dating were welcomed. Meetings, even idle conversations, were in Arabic.
Donations from Saudi Arabia largely financed the group, and its leaders pushed Wahhabi, the kingdom’s puritan strain of Islam.
Hamid Algar, a professor at the University of California, Berkeley, said that in the 1960s and 1970s, chapters advocated theological and political positions derived from radical Islamist organizations and would brook no criticism of Saudi Arabia.
That past has given the associations a reputation in some official quarters as a possible font of extremism, but experts in American Islam say college campuses have become too diverse and are under too much scrutiny for the groups to foster radicals. Zareena Grewal, a professor of religion and American studies at Yale University, pointed to several things that would repel extremists. Members are trying to become more involved in the U.S. political system, Grewal said, and the heavy presence of women in the leadership would also deter them. Members, she said, "are not sitting around reading ‘How to Bomb Your Campus for Dummies.’ "
Its leaders say the organization is gradually relaxing a bit as it seeks to maintain its status as the main player for Muslim students.
“There were drunkards in the Prophet Muhammad’s community; there were fornicators and people who committed adultery in his community, and he didn’t reject them,” Mertaban said. “I think MSAs are beginning to understand this point that every person has ups and downs.”

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Interesting read....

I remember my first semester I got quite a few nasty looks when I'd walk into the MSA, as well as very rude comments from a few girls. Oh well.

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in our muslim associations if u dnt wear a hijab u r treated as though u r trash. A few of the girls who do wear hijab in the associatiom use the association meetings to flirt with the brothers , shocking i knw!!!
Its a shame becos it means that most ppl r so put off and miss out in taking oart in charity events, iftaris e,t,c

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this is what my chicka frndz were telling me…lol
(but mistake is also on their part that why they wear such revealing clothes, and yes i do tell them but they are dheet :smack:)

well i dont have time to join PSA or MSA so cant really talk about the politics.

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Good read. Thanks for sharing.

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Interesting read.

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never cared for MSAs too much, the politics, hypocrisy, bossy approach and the dedication to not having fun of these groups kinda were deal killers.

good to see things are changing.

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i went couple times but was really disappointed to see how unorganized they were. Beside, most of the girls went to check out guys:halo:

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So whats the point of having MSA anyway?

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^ point is to have an organisation that provides for the needs of Muslims Students on campus, here are some of the things we were involved in.

  • ensuring a proper prayer & wudhu area
  • jumma salat + khutba
  • Islamic classes for muslims
  • Dawah activities directed at non-Muslims... things like Islamic Awareness Week are quite effective
  • A platform on which to conduct charity work
  • to deal with student union on all of the above issues as a body
  • to conduct social activities for students that are Islamically acceptable
  • to be able to work with the Islamic community at a larger scale in organising public lectures and the like.
  • to have BBQs lol

and to those who have said that it is just used as a fest to check out guys, well all i can say is that i am sorry to hear it! the two MSAs that I closely have come across dont provide that opportunity... things are generally segregated and those who want to indulge in such can use the rest of the space available at campus, but the musallah is so far safe from that... there were attempts by some (sisters) saying that having a curtain b/w the brothers/ sisters is oppression (coz it is Hazrat Umar's sunnah, not the Prophet's SAW)... but Allah ka shukr they were outvoted!

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our MSA was the most corrupt one because they were hyporcites.. I had this very high image of them until I stepped in.. hijabi girls were dating, smoking sheesha, hanging out late at nights, going on road trips with "brothers" and much more.. didn't take me long to back off, it wasn't just my cup of tea!!!

Not to mention, it was exclusively ABCD.. fobs like me didn't fit in there!! sighhh

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Everything I've heard about MSAs in US universities seems the opposite of my experiences with Isocs (Islamic Societies) in UK universities.

In the UK universities, in my experience anyway (mainly the Imperial College Isoc and ones in London we did the occasional joint even with) people were actually quite conservative.

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I think it really depends on who you get into contact with when you join MSA. There's all sort of people there ... some you may find too extreme, and judging...some are too unislamic to be there in the opnion of conservative peeps, and some we personally consider, moderate. You can interact with any of these kinds which eventually results into you returning to MSA or never going back there. A lot of you mentioned hijabis that are not represnting islam as it should be... I agree that there are those ppl who are probably just following islam ( e.g wearing the hijab) by force but not to forget the many hijabis who are loyal to it. Personally, I only go to MSA if I have to pray and once in a while in Ramadan for iftari.

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You know what, at my MSA i havent heard about any integrated events, whatever events are held are segregated. Maybe the guys and girls do hang out all the tme outside, but that's on their own thing...not the "MSA" event... There's always lectures happening, and interesting events going on, that i dont think anybody has a problem with. There's girls who wear full niqab and girls who wear hijab and girls who don't wear hijab. The officers elected are for the entire msa, not just four positions for the girls side,a nd four positions for the guys side, so yes the officers do talk to each other and all...its not complete segregation.

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Muslims and Gambling...you shd come and check out the casinos in Detroit, they are packed with Arabs. Sometimes, It appears that desi muslims are way more conservatives than the arab muslims.

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sometime....??
its always like that.

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Sara I know how you feel, people can be SO judgemental, you can NEVER judge a book by its cover. back in college, i guess I was very into punk rock type stuff....I dressed differently from most of the MSA/PSA folks...but I was dressed modestly at the same time....but I wqs judged in an instant by how I look & I hated that. Also I hated the hypocrisy in MSA, at least at my Uni. There were sisters who would 'yell' at me for stupid little things....for instance...i think i was playing football with the guys..rather catch the football...whatever killing time between classes....and a 'sister' came up to me and was like oh sister what ur doing is so haram..right in front of my friend!!! who happened to be this paki dude...but whatever...she even told me your kiggling, and moving in front of him & its inappropriate...and described all this crap, that wasn't even in my mind....we were just thinking..ok throw ball...catch ball....pick up ball...throw ball.....and her dirty mind working over time....jeez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Funny thing is a week later I found out the same hijabi chick was dating this other MSA memberr....and evennnn funnier was when I saw them hugging & holding hands....her look was PRICELESS......but i didnt say anything...to each their own hypocrisy...can;'t spell right now.

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I know that most MSA's have a hyprocrisy issue..but take advantage of the good things they offer and leave the bad. If you think u can help, u should really go and inshAllah try to benefit them or advice them in some ways. We are muslims and when we sit here and bash the Muslim students, we come under that catergory because we, too, are Muslims.

:)

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its not necessarily bashing....its just stating what we have seen/experienced. Yes there are good/bad ones everywhere, but its not easy to impose yourself when they already judged against you as your walking in the door....
and its like me telling someone you can't date, you cant smoke...etc...but then doing it myself...hypocritical no?

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LOL dude thats just messed up!!
Thankfully i haven't seen any of that behooda-ness at my MSA. Yeah, some of the girls are....eh... but thas a non-MSA issue.. :D