I beg your pardon then - no where in your actual post, I saw the word American Muslim community mentioned but I did see you mention Muslims quite a lot throughout the thread, so I thought you meant all Muslim or Western Muslims at least - as opposed to just the ones living in America who may don't like Ahamdis.
Carry on in that case.
Nowhere did you actually see British Muslim either. So please - next time if it doesn't apply to you directly - you are under NO obligation to speak on behalf of the entire British Muslim community and respond.
Raza arsalan, is pretty famous in defending muslims and presenting islam, but in his book "zealot" he calls Jesus(as) as God.
Hi Monk, did you read the book? Because "Raza Arsalan" also known to the rest of the world as Reza Aslan, says no such thing. If anything he says historical Jesus was a nobody, and the Jesus we know is merely a work of fiction by gospel writers centuries after. :\
Coming back to the original question, i really dont think it has anything to do with him being Ahmedi if I understood it properly.
I've been to many parades and events where I met muslim and Pakistani origins in NYPD. Met recently who said he's the only cop in Seattle police for entire state. A ton of Pakistani muslim origins are working their way up very high in bureaucracy
Same goes for marine.
They all are respected, appreciated and given due applause on many occassions. Never heard of anything where they were singled out for being ahmedi or even for any other sect.
And those who know me personally are aware how glued i'm with people in higher command or service, no bragging. :)
As per social media, who cares wut happens there. Its a fancy world and not even close to the real-time happening.
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Parts of it, since I don’t pay for such books
I read for free in the store.
So the part where he is parsing his wife and her family, after that he said that.
I would go back and read it and quote again.
Does Makkah council trump Allah swt's judgment? Does it represent Allah's judgment of Ahmadis?
First of all you must understand that the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) delivered the message of Islam in entirety – nothing was left out and nothing can be added to it.
From the passing away of the blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) only liars and charlatans will a make claim to receive Wahi from Allah Almighty.
Allah Almighty will pronounce His Judgement on all matters on the Day of JUDGEMENT.
Till then the Muslims have to refer to the Quran and the Sunnah the blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) to arrive at judgement on any matter.
That’s exactly the principle ‘Makkah Council’ used to arrive at their ruling.
Same principles were used against the false prophets in the earlier times; I am just naming a few. They all claimed to receive wahi.
Musaylimah al-Kaddhab, Al-Aswad Al-‘Ansi, Tulayhah al-Azdi and Sajjah bint al-Harith
First of all you must understand that the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) delivered the message of Islam in entirety – nothing was left out and nothing can be added to it.
From the passing away of the blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) only liars and charlatans will a make claim to receive Wahi from Allah Almighty.
Allah Almighty will pronounce His Judgement on all matters on the Day of JUDGEMENT.
Till then the Muslims have to refer to the Quran and the Sunnah the blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) to arrive at judgement on any matter.
That’s exactly the principle ‘Makkah Council’ used to arrive at their ruling.
Same principles were used against the false prophets in the earlier times; I am just naming a few. They all claimed to receive wahi.
Musaylimah al-Kaddhab, Al-Aswad Al-‘Ansi, Tulayhah al-Azdi and Sajjah bint al-Harith
I think you are missing the point completely. This is not about the debate whether ahmedis are muslims or not, otherwise it would be in religious section. Its about how someone challenged a person who is throwing garbage on muslims left n right and pushing all kinda policies to isolate muslims in america and take their religious, social and civil rights away by labelling them some of the worst things. So the question appeared that, why we should not project that person who is challenging the bigger evil here.
**Sid_NY **I agree with you whole heartily and applaud ex-marine's (Tayyib Rashid) bold stance against Donald Trump. I was addressing specific point raised by the poster.
Gulam-Ahmadism or Qadianism is not a sect of ISLAM. ISLAM and Qadianism are two different religions. In the gathering of Prominent and influential muslim leaders, imams, Scholars, in Makkah, the World Muslim League passed a fatwa, declairing them an unbelieving group. It's not about "Judging anyone", it's about consensus. There is a clear consensus among all muslim sects on this Qadiani issue. Having said that, Gulam-Ahmadies should be given equal opportunities, security and all other rights of minorities, there should be no discrimination.
@TLK please tell me why did you quote Brahmins and Jains while explaining differences at internal level? Any reasoning here with relation to the topic being discussed?
I just gave an example. If there was no difference then they would not be two different sects. So difference is there.
Brahmin is a varna and caste in Hinduism whereas Jainism is a religion. Jainism is not a sect of Hinduism and never it was a part of Hinduism. Jainism is an ancient religion (5-6 century BCE) and history suggests that it was already an established religion when the Vedic practices came into being. So how can one say that there were/are differences between them at internal level.
Frankly speaken, before this thread I didn't even know that this man is an Ahmadi. Neither have I read it or heard people falling over it anywhere else. So yeah...
Furthermore I would like to add, isn't it funny how (semi) naked, partying & boozing people are always better muslims than people who cover themselves or have beards. Because apparently the nakeds have their Imaan in their heart, and it's the inside that counts. And the latter group is just all show, but no content. They might cover their head, BUT they backbite, are mean, snitch and have bad ikhlaaq and whatnot. All qualities that the former group is magically free of.
And while trying to convey the message of don't judge only because they naked/club/drink people completely outjudge people who support hijab/beard.
