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Wonder if Trump gives a rat about who is Ahmedi and who is not. If he is not , and treating all the same, then at least in this battle with this jackass, we should remain united. The issue of whether ahmedis are a sect or not a sect can be debated some other time.
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Wonder if Trump gives a rat about who is Ahmedi and who is not. If he is not , and treating all the same, then at least in this battle with this jackass, we should remain united. The issue of whether ahmedis are a sect or not a sect can be debated some other time.
This exactly!
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If I understand right, you think being united makes muslims stronger.
So then why not just stay that way all the time? #secularismtrumpsmonopoly](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=secularismtrumpsmonopoly)
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I agree, we should at a higher level. At more internal levels, differences are inevitable, like between Catholics and Protestants or Jains and Brahmin
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As far as christians going to heaven, allah knows best as there might be exceptions, but then what is the use of islam? Christians already do shirk with the Trinity concept, so that is automatic hell for eternity. As far as attackers go, the laws are there so the police / govt needs to toughen up and put the inciting mullahs and mob into prison for long times. Give death penalty for inciting death.
The first bold part: Yes, that is our point here...that Allah swt knows best and he is the ONLY one who knows and judges. Mere mortals and creations cannot take his place nor can we pretend as if we are his representatives here on earth.
The second bold part: The point of Islam is not to simply spread it everywhere we go....agar humaray kartoot achay huway to ye kaam vaise bhi hojayega. Islam is a religion of peace but it is also a way of life. Allah swt has given you a manual on how to live YOUR life...and nowhere does He say you need to make others live the way you do. Violence is allowed in self defense - not to attack innocent.
My point is...at this time there are people who are trying to instill good. They are making an effort to clear up our name and WE should be supporting them in every way possible.
I hate to compare, but I have rarely seen Christians of different sects and denominations go at it the way we do. I don't even see Christians and Jews fighting the way we do. Maybe its not a bad idea to relax a little bit when it comes to wearing our religion on our sleeves?
Wonder if Trump gives a rat about who is Ahmedi and who is not. If he is not , and treating all the same, then at least in this battle with this jackass, we should remain united. The issue of whether ahmedis are a sect or not a sect can be debated some other time.
Yup.
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I am not going to go into discussion of whether Ahmadis are muslim or not, its been debated on forum plenty of times. However, in this age when Islam is being accused of being a violent religion, every muslim must make an effort to clear the image of islam, and not just by words, but through actions. Regardless of whether the person defending Islam is a sunni, shia or ahmadi, we should support such a person in that regard instead of pointing out how he/she is or isnt muslim.
Havent we already suffered enough by shunning brilliant minds like Dr Abdus Salam and Sir Zafarullah Khan just on the basis that they were Ahmadis.
I loved the fact that this marine referred to a Hadith that Love for one's homeland is part of faith. This is the type of stuff that muslims scholars and leaders should be teaching the youth, who are so prone to being radicalized.
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Did muslim marine guy tell how many muslims he killed for America? Like that would really be the biggest rebuttal to all those questioning american muslims' loyalty to their country.
So how many did this guy kill in Iraq or Afghanistan? Where's those real impact stats?
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@Reha: why not become a glamour model and also pray 5 times a day and say allah knows best?
in fact, there is a black model who does that. To me, that is mockery of religion.
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^ THIS!
To me, its also a mockery of religion when people buy homes/cars on interest while other Muslims are suffering. To me, its a mockery when people so easily buy themselves luxuries they don’t need when that money can be used to feed, clothe and nurture a much more deserving soul. But the mockery only seems to happen when it comes to issues that don’t apply to us. Just because you don’t do it, its all of a sudden haram.
I used to work with a black guy who was trying to convert to Islam. He was educated, soft spoken, clean cut and didn’t look like he was a hoodlum. He said he had visited the local mosque multiple times but people thought he was dangerous and trying to beg so they avoided him. He said he was fascinated by Islam but its people seemed so unwelcoming…and asked me why that was. I told him because they don’t follow Islam. They follow themselves. Everyone is a mullah these days. Wearing a thobe or hijab does not make one a Muslim. Loads of religions ask women to cover up. That’s not what sets us apart.
And I think a glamour model who prays 5 times a day and gives to the poor is a much better Muslim than someone who does neither things but wears hijab. Because that model was able to see beyond herself whereas the other is still thinking that wearing a piece of cloth is all she needs to do.
Disclaimer: no offense to hijabis…I think its great you cover up…these are simply examples.
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@Reha I absolutely agree with you. And modelling is her profession, what is wrong if she profess her religion/regious practices?
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Continuing on with this discussion, will the glamour model's namaz be accepted when she knowingly is not following a tenet of islam?
Personally, I dislike wearing islam on the sleeve like, for example, praying on the pitch like afridi did in a cricket match. I bet that no one knows younis khan fasts / prays and imran / miandad fasted and played in crucial matches when they represent Pakistan.
Heck, you can have premarital sex and say allahs knows best, but I think that one should try to avoid saying such things when they are clearly not part of islam. It is just personal accountability.
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Do you know what a glamour model is?
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Continuing on with this discussion, will the glamour model's namaz be accepted when she knowingly is not following a tenet of islam?
***That is not something you and I get to decide...that is something you will have to agree...is up to Allah and His discretion only. We don't choose who makes it into Heaven...He does.
Personally, I dislike wearing islam on the sleeve like, for example, praying on the pitch like afridi did in a cricket match. I bet that no one knows younis khan fasts / prays and imran / miandad fasted and played in crucial matches when they represent Pakistan.
Heck, you can have premarital sex and say allahs knows best, but I think that one should try to avoid saying such things when they are clearly not part of islam. It is just personal accountability.
Of course one should try to avoid such things. But the beauty of Islam is that it has created a personal relationship between us and Allah. You don't need a priest or Rabbi to pray for you or to ask for forgiveness...you can do it yourself.
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Do you know what a glamour model is?
yes I know. I think it is good that she tries for her spiritual progress. She is certainly not making fun or mockery of religion. Spiritual progress is for everyone who desires.
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Of course one should try to avoid such things. But the beauty of Islam is that it has created a personal relationship between us and Allah. You don't need a priest or Rabbi to pray for you or to ask for forgiveness...you can do it yourself.
Don't disagree there, but you keep changing the goal post. Anyway, believe me, I am not some rabid mutawwa so I guess that we will go in circles. For me, do as you please but don't come and say, for example, islam finds glamour modeling ok or islam says that premarital sex is ok.
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Lets stop these absurd apples vs oranges comparisons. There is absolutely NO comparison between being in armed forces vs being a glamour model. If one thinks that being in military is all about going to Iraq and killing muslims, they need to have their brains checked. There are variety of different roles one can be assigned in military, from being a medic to being in peace keeping or simply being a reserved.
Its very sad to see that some people feel more satisfied in criticizing Ahmadis than in joining together for defense of Islam. The greatest threat to Islam is from the western media who are hell bent on showing the worst of muslims, AND from the Saudi fitna. The Makkah council and Saudi clerics that you are so proudly mentioning have done more damage to Islam than anyone could ever do.
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Don't disagree there, but you keep changing the goal post. Anyway, believe me, I am not some rabid mutawwa so I guess that we will go in circles. For me, do as you please but don't come and say, for example, islam finds glamour modeling ok or islam says that premarital sex is ok.
It has nothing to do with something being okay or not. It has to do with our tolerance for other peoples' religious beliefs and how they choose to practice. Its absolutely none of our business how someone chooses to pray or worship their Allah. Allah does not belong to anyone in particular...He is everyone's including non-Muslims.
You and I don't have to agree with someone in order for them to be afforded the right to practice their faith in any way they wish.
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So back to my question...why isn't Muslim Marine being recognized by Muslims since he is in fact doing the Muslim community a service. Even if you consider him Ahmadi and non-Muslim he is still affiliating himself with Muslims and making an effort to clear their name.
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Continuing on with this discussion, will the glamour model's namaz be accepted when she knowingly is not following a tenet of islam?
actually yes, her namaz will be accepted, cause modeling and namaz are two separate acts and have no direct correlation.
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It has nothing to do with something being okay or not. It has to do with our tolerance for other peoples' religious beliefs and how they choose to practice. Its absolutely none of our business how someone chooses to pray or worship their Allah. Allah does not belong to anyone in particular...He is everyone's including non-Muslims.
You and I don't have to agree with someone in order for them to be afforded the right to practice their faith in any way they wish.
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