Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar
Tafsir Ibn Kathir - Quran Tafsir - The Story of Prophet Lut, upon Him be Peace, and His People
Do you commit lewdness such as none preceding you has committed in all of the nations Verily, you practice your lusts on men instead of women.’
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so God killed an entire settlement of people with their women and innocent children, by raining down rocks from the sky - this is what you believe in to be true? really? 
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One either believes god is just, fair and compassionate. In that regard his actions are beyond the realm of human understanding.
Or you believe god is not just but basically vengeful and then you post questions as the ones above.
Though a question where does it say the women and children were innocent?
So once again, I never said that someone is or isn't a Muslim. You did.
If you think that being a lesbian is worse than being a murderer, that's your opinion. I'm judging actions (murder vs homosexuality), you are judging faith.
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So once again, I never said that someone is or isn't a Muslim. You did.
If you think that being a lesbian is worse than being a murderer, that's your opinion. I'm judging actions (murder vs homosexuality), you are judging faith.
I did say they were not Muslims. However you did place a qualification on who is worse by bringing in the OBL and Saudi example. So you were being just as judgmental. My statement if you reread it stated that everybody has a right to be happy and find the one they love. But that is incompatible with the Muslim faith. So they aren't Muslim lesbians. They are regular old lesbians and I wish them the best. But they aren't Muslims.
This entire discussion is based on faith. The only reason this is even a thread, why it is a news item is the faith of the two ladies. Nothing more. If they were Jewish, Christian, Hindu it would never have made the news. It is all about faith and thus my comment.
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I said nothing about one book being more "true" than others; that's your prerogative. I'm just pointing out the fact that we shouldn't go around labeling others' scriptures as "stories made up by their rabbis" when the same "story" is revealed in Quran.
True, you did not say anything about one holly book being more true than other, but you did imply that since the story was confirmed by secondary source (Quran) it must be true. No? Btw, there is no archaeological evidence of existence of the cities (Sodom and Gomorrah) being destroyed by the God. Only thing close to this comes is Pompeii & we know that was destroyed by the volcano.
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Seeking pleasure with men instead of mates created for them; mates who are lawful).
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That is precisely the point I was making. Seeking pleasure (lust with same or opposite sex) is not same as having loving committed relationship between 2 consenting adults.
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yes and women include wife of the Prophet Lut and God didn’t throw stones all of sudden. His prophet preached for years what was right and when they didn’t follow his teachings he told them of expected anger from the God. When they didn’t leave their wrong doings after that they were told that they will meet their fate by morning and the Prophet was asked to leave the place alongwith his followers. Very few left with the Prophet and the women and innocent children you are concerned for could have saved their lives by following the Prophet and leaving the place. They chose their and theirs families fate themselves.
We call ourselves Muslims and we believe blindly in God and the word of God. We don’t run behind worldly logic all the time, because when we believe that something is from God then ‘janene se ziada manena zaroori hota hai’.
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Quran itself answers this:
Miracles of the Qur’an - Modern Science Reveals New Miracles of the Qur’an
One of the pieces of information regarding this destroyed city is-as revealed in Surat al-Hijr 76-that these cities are still on the main line. Geographers have identified this region as being on a line to the south-east of the Dead Sea, extending from the Arabian peninsula to Syria and Egypt.
We turned the place completely upside down and rained down on them stones of hard-baked clay. **There are certainly Signs in that for the discerning. They were beside a road which still exists. There is certainly a Sign in that for the believers.** (Qur'an, 15:74-77)
So why such couples marry? to give each other company to watch Star Plus soaps in night?
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I did say they were not Muslims. However you did place a qualification on who is worse by bringing in the OBL and Saudi example. So you were being just as judgmental. My statement if you reread it stated that everybody has a right to be happy and find the one they love. But that is incompatible with the Muslim faith. So they aren't Muslim lesbians. They are regular old lesbians and I wish them the best. But they aren't Muslims.
This entire discussion is based on faith. The only reason this is even a thread, why it is a news item is the faith of the two ladies. Nothing more. If they were Jewish, Christian, Hindu it would never have made the news. It is all about faith and thus my comment.
Again, **what **we judge, or discuss, is important. The legal system judges murderers all the time. Only God can judge your faith.
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Why do two atheists marry?
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Why do two atheists marry?
Isn't getting pleasure involved?
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That is precisely the point I was making. Seeking pleasure (lust with same or opposite sex) is not same as having loving committed relationship between 2 consenting adults.
As in between two consenting males or between two consenting females ? because your op was about two females .
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Isn't getting pleasure involved?
It probably is, but your quip about Star Plus was about implying that there is no committed relationship, only sex, thereby reducing gay marriage to legitimized sodomy and nothing more.
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Thanks God Quran is very much clear while mentioning whom to marry. It always addresses men to describe whom to marry and to whom not. In other case, we were listening that it also advocates same sex marriage (when consent is involved). 
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Surah 2:8 to Surah 2:15. Read them if you wish.
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See, the circumstances. In Qom e Lut majority (leaving Prophet and few of his followers) was for such relationship and therefore they didn’t have to marry for getting so called legitimized relationship. Thats why Quran used the words ‘men getting pleasure from men / men practicing lusts on men instead of women’ instead of using term ‘men marrying with men with consent’.
At all places where Quran mentions about marriage, it always addresses men to marry women. There is no question and doubt that Islam doesn’t allow same sex marriages (with consent). So a Muslim (even one who is a Muslim just because he inherited Islam) didn’t get any support from Quran to justify such marriages.
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Ironic that this applies to your boy Bin Laden. It would be much easier to simply say that it is not your place to decide who is Muslim.
Have a good day.
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I am not arguing that Islam allows same sex marriage. I was saying that it’s insulting for you to imply that homosexuals are only in it for sex, when there are countless examples that refute this. Furthermore, marriage is (apparently) too vague. There is a difference between Nikkah and a civil union. Islam says nothing about the latter.
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the trouble with this argument is every religious extremist is convinced he is doing this exact thing too. and obviously there is no making sense with logical arguments, non-literal interpretations, and such. unquestionable dogma is deadly for a society with more than one kind of people.
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No, not marriage but this civil union concept is vague. What are the boundaries that are covered under this umbrella of ‘Civil Union’ and can anyone confirm that it doesn’t include acts which were detested by Allah in Quran?
As some member already mentioned this thread (news) got attention just because its says ‘two Muslim Lesbians’, so all this debate followed.