Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get married

[Shamraz_Khan]

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@bao_bihari

Animals eat their kids, kill their parents,force sex with their siblings. what a bench mark.

Well, I’m glad you clear that up b/c nothing like that happens in human societies…oh wait it does & usually by straight people.

This is not natural and this will create imablance in society.I think taliban should start a compaign for promoting homos in USA.there will no more people left after 50 years. khallas - *khas kam jahan pak
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Are you serious? Taliban come from tribal region where homosexuality & bachi bazi are part of the culture.

[bao_bihari]

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@muqawwee123

come on. There are specific verses about Qom e Lut. The word sodomy came from the region Sodom where qom e Lut lived.

I’m not imposing but its my humble suggestion that you should go through complete translation of Quran at least for once to know the concepts you disagree without knowing them.

This is the quran Muqawee is talking about.

Just wanted to help .

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[Shamraz_Khan]

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@muqawwee123

come on. There are specific verses about Qom e Lut. The word sodomy came from the region Sodom where qom e Lut lived.

I’m not imposing but its my humble suggestion that you should go through complete translation of Quran at least for once to know the concepts you disagree without knowing them.

Actually story of Qom e Lu is about lust & what you should not do. It has very little do with gays…where 2 consenting adults get into a life long loving relationship (in this case legally recognized marriage).

[bao_bihari]

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@Shamraz_Khan

Are you serious? Taliban come from tribal region where homosexuality & bachi bazi are part of the culture.

Point was creating imbalance in society. Forget taliban, read bao bihari. Afaqa ho ga inshallah

[muqawwee123]

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@Shamraz_Khan

Actually story of Qom e Lu is about lust & what you should not do. It has very little do with gays…where 2 consenting adults get into a life long loving relationship (in this case legally recognized marriage).

The way Quran mentions it, how people from Qom e Lut were involved in sodomy that they even didn’t accept the offer from the Prophet to marry his daughters. This all say that it was never considered as legal act by any chance (consent or no consent). Even Quran mentions in specific words that sodomy was first practiced in Qom e Lut. No sect of Islam (instead of all the differences they should be condemned for a thousand times) allow gay / lesbian marriages.

[Shamraz_Khan]

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@bao_bihari

Point was creating imbalance in society. Afaqa ho ga inshallah

How would it create imbalance in society? Would there be less procreation b/c of homosexuality? Statistically, homosexually population of any given specie(s) in between 3 and 5%. Unless you’re suggesting that just b/c gay marriages are allowed…everyone would want to be married some one from the same sex?

[shopping_fan]

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People, lets leave Mr Shamraz alone so that he can dwell on the dynamics of homosexuality and its peaceful implications on society

[Shamraz_Khan]

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@muqawwee123

The way Quran mentions it, how people from Qom e Lut were involved in sodomy that they even didn’t accept the offer from the Prophet to marry his daughters. This all say that it was never considered as legal act by any chance (consent or no consent). Even Quran mentions in specific words that sodomy was first practiced in Qom e Lut. No sect of Islam (instead of all the differences they should be condemned for a thousand times) allow gay / lesbian marriages.

You’re confusing the issues. 1) Sodomy is common among gays & straight people (this is not an exclusively gay thing). 2) This story comes from the Old Testament & it has to do with the lust. Btw, gays have been around in every society since dawn of the age. Its just that western societies have advanced enough to recognized them & grant them certain rights. I see nothing wrong with that.

[bao_bihari]

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@Shamraz_Khan

How would it create imbalance in society? Would there be less procreation b/c of homosexuality? Statistically, homosexually population of any given specie(s) in between 3 and 5%. Unless you’re suggesting that just b/c gay marriages are allowed…everyone would want to be married some one from the same sex?

It is 3-5 % , but dont you think that it will increase given the chance.

%age of illegitmate kids in western world where it is allowed to have kids outside wedlock are much greater then in coutries where it is not allowed.

[muqawwee123]

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@Shamraz_Khan

You’re confusing the issues. 1) Sodomy is common among gays & straight people (this is not an exclusively gay thing). 2) This story comes from the Old Testament & it has to do with the lust. Btw, gays have been around in every society since dawn of the age. Its just that western societies have advanced enough to recognized them & grant them certain rights. I see nothing wrong with that.

fine, if you don’t see any wrong in it, but being Muslim, people believe what is written and taught in Quran about sodomy and qom e Lut. They believe that qom e Lut was exterminated due to this act. I hope there shouldn’t be any problem in accepting this fact that there is nothing like gay / Lesbian marriages in Muslim (in strict sense) as this is unanimously agreed upon by all the sects of Islam. This is just acceptable on one notion and i.e. Lakum Deenukum Waliya din (For you is your religion, and for me is my religion) which can be translated in modern phrase ‘live and let live’.

[Deeba1234]

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@Zafra

People should be able to marry whoever they wish. They should be able to have a normal happy life. So good for these ladies.** But they aren’t Muslims. They gave up on that claim the moment they undertook actions that violate the tenets of Islam.
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What you have is a lesbian couple that got married.

With that reasoning many of the rest of us should be ‘non-Muslims’ as well.. ppl who’ve had pre-marital relationships, committed adultery, lied or even use credit..

Am pretty sure only apostasy actually takes someone out of the fold of Islam..

[hareem01]

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Oh no…not again.

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[stoppit]

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suggest OP and anyone else confused listens to anwar al-awlaki’s ‘lives of the prophets’ series… particularly the one concerning the Prophet Lut.

[Deeba1234]

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@muqawwee123

The way Quran mentions it, how people from Qom e Lut were involved in sodomy that they even didn’t accept the offer from the Prophet to marry his daughters. This all say that it was never considered as legal act by any chance (consent or no consent). Even Quran mentions in specific words that sodomy was first practiced in Qom e Lut. No sect of Islam (instead of all the differences they should be condemned for a thousand times) allow gay / lesbian marriages.

There are a lot of things which no sect in Islam allows but Muslims still do..
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Not sure why it’s ok to call ppl ‘non-Muslim’ just because they’re sinning differently from you or me..

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[psyah]

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@Shamraz_Khan

Right b/c homicidal terrorism is the only thing missing in Christianity otherwise it would just as good as Islam…pure and prefect. Thank God Taliban/Jihadis are preventing Islam from distortion.

There you go again - you have a habit of blaming the faith for the acts of some of its adherents … I understand you don’t like the violent fundos - but at least express a positive view of religious people who are not violent … by the look and sound of it - you seem to believe that we are either a “fundo and violence loving” or we are “modernist and peace loving” … Is it true that you think being religious and non-violent is an oxymoron?

[muqawwee123]

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@Deeba1234

There are a lot of things which no sect in Islam allows but Muslims still do..
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Not sure why it’s ok to call ppl ‘non-Muslim’ just because they’re sinning differently from you or me..

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**Quran says: [5:5] Today, all good food is made lawful for you. The food of the people of the scripture is lawful for you. Also, you may marry the chaste women among the believers, as well as the chaste women among the followers of previous scripture, provided you pay them their due dowries. You shall maintain chastity, not committing adultery, nor taking secret lovers. Anyone who rejects faith, all his work will be in vain, and in the Hereafter he will be with the losers.
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Does this count especially the underlined content or we will deny it in the name of our so called liberalism?

There is a thing ‘gunah’ and there is another thing ‘insistence’ on gunah. Haven’t we become extra liberal to insist on gunah (when we inside know the fact that such acts are not allowed in Muslim society.)

[kakaballi]

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@Shamraz_Khan

Like I said…to each his on. What gives you or anyone else the right to judge them? What people do in their personal lives or who they love/marry is between them and their God. Gay marriage is legal in many western countries and if these women want to be legally recognized as couples what is wrong with that? Let them be happy…

In that case, there’s no point in posting the article on a discussion board, a place where people express their opinions on things/events/news. Why post it here and then expect no one to express their pleasure or disgust over it?

[psyah]

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@Deeba1234

There are a lot of things which no sect in Islam allows but Muslims still do..
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Not sure why it’s ok to call ppl ‘non-Muslim’ just because they’re sinning differently from you or me..

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Peace Deeba1234

This is an ancient debate amongst people of the past … Some people said a major sin makes someone a kafir, but the dominant opinion is that sinning in itself does not make a person a kafir. However, while they are doing the sin they are in a temporary act of kufr. But on the other hand to change or alter the belief system, that to say a haram thing is infact not haram or an act being a sin is not a sin, then indeed doing that is the same as apostasy.

Taking pride in a sin is apostasy … because it demonstrates that person does not believe that that sin is a sin. Marriage between two of the same gender is taking pride in and declaring to all that the homosexual act is going to be done.

[ninja_hattori]

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@psyah

Peace Deeba1234

This is an ancient debate amongst people of the past … Some people said a major sin makes someone a kafir, but the dominant opinion is that sinning in itself does not make a person a kafir. However, while they are doing the sin they are in a temporary act of kufr. But on the other hand to change or alter the belief system, that to say a haram thing is infact not haram or an act being a sin is not a sin, then indeed doing that is the same as apostasy.

Taking pride in a sin is apostasy … because it demonstrates that person does not believe that that sin is a sin. Marriage between two of the same gender is taking pride in and declaring to all that the homosexual act is going to be done.

isn’t there a hadith narrated to hazrat abu zar (RA) that every muslim will enter jannah..even if he has committed adultry?
is committing a sin is act of kufr?
i totally agree with part that declaring haram as halal and halal as haram is kufr…

[psyah]

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@ninja_hattori

isn’t there a hadith narrated to hazrat abu zar (RA) that every muslim will enter jannah..even if he has committed adultry?
is committing a sin is act of kufr?
i totally agree with part that declaring haram as halal and halal as haram is kufr…

Peace ninja hattori

Thanks for the question … It can be a bit confusing … But the way to remember it is this:

1. Doing a sin is kufr
2. Being in a sin state and taking it to be ok is the being of a kafir person
3. If a person dies as a kafir (not necessary while doing kufr) then he is not Muslim
4. If a Muslim person dies and his sins have come out heavy then he must first enter jahannum to have his weight of sins paid for before being granted to enter heaven
5. Unless by some other avenue of the Rahma of Allah (SWT) he is forgiven his sins then he might enter Jannah directly

We should counter a sin by a good act - we are weak and we can sin - even if a gay wants to be a good Muslim and finds himself doing the act - if he seeks forgiveness sincerely (i.e. not taking pride in the act) then that is what makes him Muslim - by avoiding the liwata/zina act that is what makes him an adherent Muslim.

To die in the state of shirk is also condemnation - this is because shirk is very heavy in the scales … So even a life time of good work will be lighter in the scales against shirk. And Allah (SWT) is Just.