Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get married

[Ghost14]

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@S02

psyah, I don’t understand what you mean by “infiltrate” and who you are accusing of it.

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[Ghost14]

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@psyah

Pork, sex and drugs are not part of the law …

Look … In the UK they have been scratching their heads to work out why there are so many teenaged pregnancies .. So they genius idea was to teach about sex education younger and also talk about contraception … You know what teenaged pregnancies have increased … Exposure to concepts makes them familiar and in turn makes them acceptable … Their social scientists know this … And gay lobbies have done their homework getting themselves into influential positions affecting law, education and media …

What S02 said, the opposite is true in the US. Teaching kids not to have sex results in them not using contraception and getting pregnant. Teenage sex is a part of Western culture, so Christians feel less compelled to abstain from sex.

@psyah

Ok … That is a big subject … But to keep it sweet I am referring to elements of society who are planning actively to engineer people towards the Brave New World.

Come on man…

[psyah]

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@S02

^ In the US abstinence-only education resulted in a rise in teen pregnancy. I don’t know the stats for the UK.

Side topic … But this is mainly to do with better understanding of contraception and better techniques for prevention of pregnancies while increasing the rate of unmarried sex, because that threat of pregancy is diminished. US rates are still high compared to the rest of the world.

They are more focused on the pregnancy being the problem, because of economics burdens… But I am more concerned about the fact sex is happening, because of moral issues.

[psyah]

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@S02

^ lol psyah, that is far too vague. I don’t know what you mean. I guess I’ve seen you write and reflect thoughtfully about raising and educating your children, so I am surprised by the paranoia reflected in these posts. I’m just trying to understand your perspective on all of this.

I’ll write some other thread inshaAllah on this subject … But to be clear … It is not paranoia … But concern for moral boundaries to be kept static not moving around.

[S02]

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^ But you said before that you fear things as being seen as “acceptable” social choices. And I do think that many of them are, tho one’s sexuality is probably not. Regardless in raising our kids we should not be afraid that they see that there are options, some that are morally/religiously right and some that are morally/religiously wrong. It is our job as parents and community leaders to teach our children of these choices. It is not the job of the government to limit rights and choices simply to force people to abide by a specific moral code. Your attention, care, and teachings will have the most influence on your children to help them iA make good decisions based on your and their understanding of morality.

[aramis]

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I have read the news somewhere and just the topic of this thread …there is no such thing as muslim and lesbian/gay…these things are not included in category of muslim.

[psyah]

Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar

@S02

^ But you said before that you fear things as being seen as “acceptable” social choices. And I do think that many of them are, tho one’s sexuality is probably not. Regardless in raising our kids we should not be afraid that they see that there are options, some that are morally/religiously right and some that are morally/religiously wrong. It is our job as parents and community leaders to teach our children of these choices. It is not the job of the government to limit rights and choices simply to force people to abide by a specific moral code. Your attention, care, and teachings will have the most influence on your children to help them iA make good decisions based on your and their understanding of morality.

Peace S02

Awareness of something harmful should not be made proactively. If they children find out and ask about it then there is the obligation to educate them about it.

You see I made the fault of proactively telling my kids that solvents are harmful and showed them a child suffering from solvent-sniffing addiction. I then saw the middle child trying to smell an aerosol and I became very angry with him, but then I realised that had I not told him about the act then he would not have known what to do.

Part of educating ones child properly is to know when to be reactive with information and when to be proactive with it. Making people too familiar with a matter is harmful … I don’t go out of my way to tell children how babies come, but eventually they make the intellectual jump and that is when you usher in ideas for keeping things in context for them.

Giving children choice in matters of knowledge is absurd, because we don’t give our children the same CHOICE in matters of possessions and actions do we? We don’t say “son it is your choice to stay at home after dark, but if you go out remember it can be dangerous” - no … we say “don’t go outside it’s dark” … we give them a choice about going out when they are much older.

If you are doing as you say about giving children options then I’m afraid you are not making ethical minds at all.

[hareem01]

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“I’d rather have a peaceful lesbian couple as a Muslim than that psycho who beheaded that British soldier.”

Ghost, your government has murdered millions of civilians and still counting…by that logic, you shouldn’t be living in US. You should be living in rainbow ponies’ land.

[psyah]

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What is misleading about the way Shamraz has written in the OP is the title - that these women are Muslim … Rather they are being referred in the article as Pakistanis.

Is there anywhere on this forum that Shamraz has written something positively regarding Islam or religious Muslims?

[shopping_fan]

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I read in jang ( newspaper ) that the other girl’s full name is Sobia Kumar from azad jammu Kashmir , so idk maybe she is non Muslim . Or maybe it was misprinted and its Kamar.

[bao_bihari]

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[Shamraz_Khan]

Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar

@psyah

What is misleading about the way Shamraz has written in the OP is the title - that these women are Muslim … Rather they are being referred in the article as Pakistanis.

Is there anywhere on this forum that Shamraz has written something positively regarding Islam or religious Muslims?

I posted the article b/c I found it interesting (this is something out of social norms in Pakistani culture). The article’s heading is a direct cut and past, and quick googling got these search results from various sources all saying that women are Muslim (probably not according to your definition of being Muslim).

Perhaps, if you aren’t so quick to judge others…maybe you could’ve unbiased opinion? As for me saying anything good about Islam…I only criticize religious fundos who are responsible for giving bad name to all Muslims. Perhaps, if more Muslims were doing that Islam would not=terrorism today.

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[hareem01]

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@Shamraz_Khan

I only criticize religious fundos who are responsible for giving bad name to all Muslims. Perhaps, if more Muslims were doing that Islam would not=terrorism today.

No, Islam would be something like Modern Christianity, a distorted religion.

[Shamraz_Khan]

Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar

@hareem01

No, Islam would be something like Modern Christianity, a distorted religion.

Right b/c homicidal terrorism is the only thing missing in Christianity otherwise it would just as good as Islam…pure and prefect. Thank God Taliban/Jihadis are preventing Islam from distortion.

[shopping_fan]

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@Shamraz_Khan

..I only criticize religious fundos who are responsible for giving bad name to all Muslims. Perhaps, if more Muslims were doing that Islam would not=terrorism today.
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so does it make all other forbidden things ok for muslims because Muslims are involved in the greater sin of terrorism or is it that Islam’s dos and donts change according to geography changes? It’s ok to live peacefully as Muslim gay, lesbian couple in West ?

[Shamraz_Khan]

Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar

@shopping_fan

so does it make all other forbidden things ok for muslims because Muslims are involved in the greater sin of terrorism or is it that Islam’s dos and donts change according to geography changes? It’s ok to live peacefully as Muslim gay, lesbian couple in West ?

Like I said…to each his on. What gives you or anyone else the right to judge them? What people do in their personal lives or who they love/marry is between them and their God. Gay marriage is legal in many western countries and if these women want to be legally recognized as couples what is wrong with that? Let them be happy. As for gay Muslims, homosexually very common in nature (unless Muslims are immune from it). Just b/c your religious text says it doesn’t…that does not make it true.

1,500 animal species practice homosexuality

[muqawwee123]

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@Shamraz_Khan

Like I said…to each his on. What gives you or anyone else the right to judge them? What people do in their personal lives or who they love/marry is between them and their God. Gay marriage is legal in many western countries and if these women want to be legally recognized as couples what is wrong with that? Let them be happy. As for gay Muslims, homosexually very common in nature (unless Muslims are immune from it). **Just b/c your religious text says it doesn’t…that does not make it true.
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1,500 animal species practice homosexuality

Then why do they call themselves Muslim if they don’t adhere and have doubts for what their religious scripture contains. Isn’t it hypocrisy at its best?

Why don’t they throw away this useless label (Muslim) and just mention them secular and liberal. They got courage to deny beliefs of a religion they use as an identity, but don’t dare to denounce it before indulging in such acts.

[Shamraz_Khan]

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@muqawwee123

Then why do they call themselves Muslim if they don’t adhere and have doubts for what their religious scripture contains. Isn’t it hypocrisy at its best?

Well, why should they & who has monopoly on definition of being Muslim? B/c Islam is among the least centralized religion in the world. Maybe coming out makes them less hypocritical by saying who they really are…lesbian Muslims. Beside, what does Qur’an says about homosexuality? As for as I know, there is nothing in Qur’an about gays.

[bao_bihari]

Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar

@Shamraz_Khan

Like I said…to each his on. What gives you or anyone else the right to judge them? What people do in their personal lives or who they love/marry is between them and their God. Gay marriage is legal in many western countries and if these women want to be legally recognized as couples what is wrong with that? Let them be happy. As for gay Muslims, **homosexually very common in nature (unless Muslims are immune from it). Just b/c your religious text says it doesn’t…that does not make it true.

1,500 animal species practice homosexuality**

Animals eat their kids, kill their parents,force sex with their siblings. what a bench mark. :smack:

This is not natural and this will create imablance in society.I think taliban should start a compaign for promoting homos in USA.there will no more people left after 50 years. khallas - *khas kam jahan pak

[muqawwee123]

Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar

@Shamraz_Khan

Well, why should they & who has monopoly on definition of being Muslim? Maybe coming out makes them less hypocritical by saying who they really are…lesbian Muslims. Beside, what does Qur’an says about homosexuality? As for as I know, there is nothing in Qur’an about gays.

come on. There are specific verses about Qom e Lut. The word sodomy came from the region Sodom where qom e Lut lived.

I’m not imposing but its my humble suggestion that you should go through complete translation of Quran at least for once to know the concepts you disagree without knowing them.