Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar
I never said they’re married, or that an Imam needs to perform the ceremony, I was talking about a civil union, which is not recognized by Islam anyway, so technically, they would be committing acts of adultery, not living in a state of marriage. So, no difference between them and a murderer who kills several people. Actually wait, yes there is, because their acts harm no one. I think the murderer is worse, but that’s just my opinion.
The beauty of Islam is that I am free to form my own opinion from the text and a murderer is a murderer period, unless he/she has paid their debt to society.
Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar
Peace Ghost14
Oh trust me brother … The spreading of evil happens in phases …first they say it does not affect you, then they practice it and get you familiar with it, then you slowly sing along with them, it becomes cool to have them as your friends, before long they have diluted you and your kin that follows.
Look …this is how they are affecting …infecting us …
It says here …“**SCHOOLS will be forced to teach children as young as five the importance of gay marriage.
Teachers who refuse because of their religious beliefs could face disciplinary action.”
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You say the beauty of Islam is that you are free to form you own opinion … Umm no, that is the beauty of your own mind telling you that … Islam means we submit not arrogate to ourselves our own formed opinions. And I guess that is my opinion … But I didn’t form this … It is established by the consensus … Islam does however let us accept the orthodox view or reject it without consequence … That is what it means “there is no compulsion in Deen” … Not that you are free to choose what you like and call it Islam, but you are free to choose or reject what is established as Islam as understood by the knowledgeable majority.
Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar
^ depends on what they are teaching. If they are being asked to acknowledge that gay couples have the same legal rights as heterosexual couples, then it is simply making the children aware of a legal fact. If they are being asked to be sensitive to and aware of the fact that families come in all shapes and sizes and that students in their classroom may have parents of the same gender, etc, then that is also fine – that is called constructing a safe environment for your children to learn and grow. If they are being asked to say, “All boys should marry other boys and all girls should marry other girls,” then you can legitimately have a panic attack about being “infected.”
Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar
You’re assuming that murder can’t be Fitnah. What did Bin Laden do to the Muslim world? What are the Saudis doing? Fitnah? A few lesbians are the least of our worries.
That article is either worded incorrectly or the British government is stupid. I don’t believe in forcing people to believe anything, but if they’re saying that kids can be told that men and women get married, and according the civil laws in the UK, gay unions do exist, then there’s nothing wrong with that. Marriage vs civil union is a semantic argument. We can teach our kids that they may be married, but it’s not an Islamic nikkah. If you wish, you can teach kids that homosexuality is wrong and that we disagree with it, without telling them to avoid homosexuals . Simple.
Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar
^ Peace psyah,
Your heart does not have to accept it. You do not have to believe it is morally right. But you do need to be aware of the fact that it is not right to discriminate against others legally simply because you question their moral/religious values. Protecting equal rights for all is imperative if we want to continue to practice our religion in secular countries where many people may disagree with our moral/religious choices.
Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar
I’m more worried about them pointing out little boys and girls who come from a religious background which prohibits such behavior and regards it as sinful and telling them that a) they are wrong, b) they’re parents are wrong, and/or c) there is no place in them for society so long as they hold those views.
You are correct in that there are neutral facts that can be objetivley stated. The question remains if this is how it will be.
Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar
No … It is against moral standing to issue to young minds that marriage between the same gender is acceptable or a choice … This they are requiring schools to teach and if they don’t they suffer consequences … So that is indeed affecting society at large. The first step was to make it part of civil law … Then they get you to sell the idea as a social choice …
Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar
What?
Who is talking about legalities … Children are not solicitors … They are humans with fragile minds … You tell them something in a way that sounds acceptable they will accept it as acceptable …
Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar
Peace S02
Exactly … So the first stage to get into our children’s minds is to change civil laws and then we all get coached in accordance to those laws … You think laws allowing gay to be married don’t affect us … Then you don’t realise how deeply people plan to infiltrate society …
Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar
It is against your moral standing, as a Muslim, but not against many secular British citizens’ moral standing. The government is requiring schools to teach that the legal definition of marriage includes same sex marriage, and that gay people also get married. That’s obviously against what Islam teaches regarding nikkah, but that’s something we have to deal with since we live in secular countries where religion is not the law of the land. If someone is really uncomfortable with that then they have to decide if that country is a good environment for their kids.
“They” don’t sell anything, why would any sane Muslim choose to be gay given the backlash they will receive? Either they really have no choice, or you believe that they are bisexual and are choosing to ignore men in favour of women.
Children also see their classmates eating pork. They will see their peers having premarital sex, do drugs, and wear clothes that Islam doesn’t permit. Telling them that gay people also get married assumes that children are idiots. They’re a lot smarter than parents like to give them credit for.
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Pork, sex and drugs are not part of the law …
Look … In the UK they have been scratching their heads to work out why there are so many teenaged pregnancies .. So they genius idea was to teach about sex education younger and also talk about contraception … You know what teenaged pregnancies have increased … Exposure to concepts makes them familiar and in turn makes them acceptable … Their social scientists know this … And gay lobbies have done their homework getting themselves into influential positions affecting law, education and media …
Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar
Ok … That is a big subject … But to keep it sweet I am referring to elements of society who are planning actively to engineer people towards the Brave New World.
Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar
^ lol psyah, that is far too vague. I don’t know what you mean. I guess I’ve seen you write and reflect thoughtfully about raising and educating your children, so I am surprised by the paranoia reflected in these posts. I’m just trying to understand your perspective on all of this.