Re: Muslim girl treated as outcast by moque community
^naive.
why is it allowed for muslims to dance oppana while she cant dance bharatnatyam.
Its double standard on the part of the community. Isnt it.
why is muslim men allowed to see the dances even being performed by the "non believers".
Why is it that most of the indian film acters are muslim. why is Iqbal allowed to write poetry. isnt that an art form as well.
Are they no muslim painters. Why do u have photo of mecca in ur houses. Is it also not an art to paint.
Besides let me tell u.. since i come this part of the land, one of the greatest Kathakali(treditional kerala dance form) was a muslim named Hyder Ali.
Re: Muslim girl treated as outcast by moque community
^^ couldnt agree more. thats what im asking as well. do the same people declare allama iqbal/ghalib and other poets non-muslim for writing poetry and drinking wine? do they make efforts to deny burial to the families of those that danced in their brother’s wedding in front of males? the article makes it clear that the muslims would have been fine if it was a dance like oppana…
people answering in this thread and saying she is committing a haraam act might be the epitome of non-hypocrisy but its evident that the muslim community the girl is being targetted by is being a hypocrite.
Re: Muslim girl treated as outcast by moque community
I said Islamic cos someone said “In Islam all kinds of dance is prohibited.” And this being a Pakistani board is surely Islamic as well, check the smileys an ul know. Nice to know that dance is a part of Pakistani culture and heritage, but then why are some here so opposed to it? Cos it’s unIslamic? and cos Pak is an Islamic state?
Of course Im sure educated, cultured people in Pak must appreciate all sorts of artforms too. Then why the condemning of a girl exceptionally talented when it comes to classical dance?
Re: Muslim girl treated as outcast by moque community
I said Islamic cos someone said "In Islam all kinds of dance is prohibited." And this being a Pakistani board is surely Islamic as well, check the smileys an ul know. Nice to know that dance is a part of Pakistani culture and heritage, but then why are some here so opposed to it? Cos it's unIslamic? and cos Pak is an Islamic state?
Of course Im sure educated, cultured people in Pak must appreciate all sorts of artforms too. Then why the condemning of a girl exceptionally talented when it comes to classical dance?
Nikki M....have you checked out pakistani TV lately? Dance and music are all over it.
Dance is freely practiced in concerts/ stage shows etc. That should tell you something about what pakistan is all about. Also no religious party has ever been in power. this should tell you something about what the people of pakistan WANT.
In this particular case where the muslim community in india DOES support an alternative form of dance "oppana" it makes no sense to hide behind religion and declare fatwa on the girl.
Re: Muslim girl treated as outcast by moque community
Shweetdreams I think uve got the same point as me, I honestly dun know what ur on about. That's exactly what Im tryna say girl, what's the point of hiding behind religion as u put it...neway my comments were directed at the people who were criticizing the girl...not at you. You and me are on the same side. sigh And Yeh I know Pakistan is full of dance and song just like India, ain't that nice ;-/
Re: Muslim girl treated as outcast by moque community
oh ....i wasnt arguing with you. my comments were also directed at those criticizing the girl. i guess i come across as if im fighting sometimes.... :D
Re: Muslim girl treated as outcast by moque community
who said poetry is the same as dancing?
is poetry on ishq-e-majazi halaal by the way?
how about glorifying poets that drank wine?
or living in a country which was founded by a man who had no regard for halal haraam customs
or living in a country where the president drank wine.
anybody got the balls to declare any fatwas against their families? deny them a muslim burial?
baat kartay hai dance ki...
Re: Muslim girl treated as outcast by moque community
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I said Islamic cos someone said "In Islam all kinds of dance is prohibited."
It is
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And this being a Pakistani board is surely Islamic as well, check the smileys an ul know.
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they have to be removed I agree
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Nice to know that dance is a part of Pakistani culture and heritage, but then why are some here so opposed to it? Cos it's unIslamic? and cos Pak is an Islamic state?
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pagan influences die hard
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Of course Im sure educated, cultured people in Pak must appreciate all sorts of artforms too
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do you mean brainwashed by "educated and cultured"
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Re: Muslim girl treated as outcast by moque community
logic amazes me.
Yes it is. It most definitely is. You need to have talent, imagination and a fair amount of creativity to execute both, poetry and dance. How can you say it isn't? Neway, shove the details, the bottomline being the country that the girl is a citizen of appreciates both. Why should she worry about nething? A handful having a problem with her dancing...nah, she shouldn't really give a fig about that.
Re: Muslim girl treated as outcast by moque community
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It is
they have to be removed I agree
pagan influences die hard
do you mean brainwashed by "educated and cultured"
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No, I dun mean 'brainwashed.' I simply meant what I had written. A cultured open minded person anywhere in the world will appreciate art in all it's manifestations.
Re: Muslim girl treated as outcast by moque community
^ I think the discussion has raised some important points and made them clear
1) Dance according the islamic beliefs is haram what crescent bro is saying is absolutely right
2) shweetdreamz has a good argument too that there must be some consistency in declaring fatwas and if we are to condemn the evil actions of this particular girl we should also not extol those people who themselves have on occasions openly violated sharia
3)However I strongly disagree with the argument that religious authorities have no right to criticize someone simply because they are not perfect themselves or have not been consistent in their policies before.
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Ok, so dance is haram in Islam, is it haram for men as well? 2)
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shweetdreamz has a good argument too that there must be some consistency in declaring fatwas and if we are to condemn the evil actions of this particular girl we should also not extol those people who themselves have on occasions openly violated sharia
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Yes, absolutely, this is what my first question was leading up to...I shall know when you answer it.
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3)However I strongly disagree with the argument that religious authorities have no right to criticize someone simply because they are not perfect themselves or have not been consistent in their policies before.
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That's subjective. And neway, authority aside, how good would NEone feel if they go around condemning someone for their imperfect attributes/behaviour, while they themselves are not 'perfect.' In an imperfect world such as ours, we need to be really perfect ourselves (which again depends on the definition of perfect) to condemn those we view as not so perfect. And this applies to Islam as well. If one of the Mullahs had indulged in some activity which goes against the Sharia while he was a teenager, but thinks all is ok now, since he's had a religious awakening, why cry over a girl who's not that mature in years yet. Give her a break! As for her parents' view on the entire issue, that again raises the point that shweetdreamz brought up about girls dancing in a marriage, men watching porn etc. Moreover, she's in India, and religion being important is fine, but a bit of ur country's culture rubs off on you as well. That's not a bad thing is it? So while her performing Bharat Natyam will be seen as an artform by most people in the country, the religious authorities will have a fit. Whom should she please here? And dun say religion is more important than your country.
although some like to think so…and dances are a part of pakistans culture and heritage.
It’s awright 
