Muslim Converts into Hindu.

[shriek11]

Re: Muslim Converts into Hindu.

Natalia, If your friend was not Muslim and converted to Hinduism, she is allowed to convert to Islam. If she was a Muslim, and then converted to Hinduism, then she cannot come back to Islam, as this is seen as Shirk, and the only sin which Allah does not forgive. This has been mentioned many times, especially in the first few chapters/surahs of the Quran.

Quote it please!

That is most stupidest statement I have heard. This basically means that you are denying that the doors of maghfira has been closed on that person forever.

Btw, converting back from hinduism to islam has nothing to do with 'SHIRK'. Heck, know what shirk is before bsing in this thread..

[system]

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@NaTaLia

well i have a friend ,we are together since GRADE 4 .her dad is a muslim and mom is a gori,so she always seems confused about the religion.daddy busy in work and mom busy in drinking ,i hope you get my point .well we have never interfaired with her personal life nor she ever bothered to tell us .2 years back theres a new girl in our group a HINDU .she is nice and a good student.she used to sit with us …to cut the story short my friend has converted in a HINDU:(
well still i ll say thats her choice after all its a free country but when i said that infront of my mom and dad they simply starred at me and ordered me not to meet her again and if see me with her then they ll get mad at me.my friends dad is also mad at her,but DO YOU THINK ITS HER FAULT???how can i leave her on these basis that she is no longer muslim:konfused: i know its weird converting from islam to hindu.

**so for those folks who dont want to read the whole thread my question to you is What if a Muslim girl converts to another religion? And it’s in your family or neighborhood. How do you Muslim brother and sister take it? Whats Islam say about it and you say?
**

Well you cant admonish her since its her own choice…
But if you truly believe in your relgion, and you feel that you have responsibilty towards your friend, if you feel that Islam is the right way, then you have a to lead by example. Try to understand her beliefs and why she has converted to Hinduism, but at the same time, demonstrate your own passion for Islam, show her the beauty of your beliefs and how it enriches your life. Without being rude or overbearing offcourse.

If in the end she find Hinduism is still her fit, then you should just accpet that. But not seeing her is counter productive, and it sends the wrong message (that she was abandoned by friend due to Islamic bias towards her, hence reinforcing her distate for Islam…).

[SlaveofAllaah]

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@jaanaan

then let Allah handle it, why are we bothered?

there are at least two places in the quran. one is in surah baqra, the other in surah maaida. it says that whether one is a christian, jew or saibeen does not matter. what matters whoever does Amal Saliha will go to Jannat. it does not specifically say hinduism but then hinduism was not part of the Arab culture. the three big religions are described and by corrollary one can safely assume that it would be applicable to all the religions.

I hope you return back, because i wanna discuss you with respect this.

[malhot]

Re: Muslim Converts into Hindu.

'Hare Krishna' people sing Hindu Hymes on the roads, ladies wear sari's & men wear dhoti's, in most countries they have communal living & a restuarant serving vegitarian food.

I just smile and walk past them - probably they are into Yoga & meditation and just having some fun.

Nothing serious - perhaps your friend has joined such a group - for fun, Yoga, meditation and a sense of belonging. You know religion does'nt have to be all serious.

[system]

Re: Muslim Converts into Hindu.

^Muslims sometimes over react to little things such as that... Some go so far as to condemn yoga...

I have a statue of Ganesh, which a friend brought from India... I dont worship it, its just a decorative piece... But I have had people be offended at the site of it, thinking its idol worship... Stupidity of some people is mind boggling...

[The_Voice]

Re: Muslim Converts into Hindu.

i think theres a death penalty for conversion from muslim to any other religon

[SlaveofAllaah]

Re: Muslim Converts into Hindu.

@The_Voice

i think theres a death penalty for conversion from muslim to any other religon

Salam The voice,

This has been covered and I say its no according to the reasons and conditions before any judegement is passed and its more towards a renegade.
Secondly for a death penalty the shcolars have varied but i agree upon those scholars that it should be an Islamic country.

Overall this is a sensitive issue where the answers differ amongst the scholars, and since those scholar who agree and disagree look at different point of Islamic history.

Regards,

[Tariq_Akhtar]

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@SlaveofAllaah

Salam The voice, .

Overall this is a sensitive issue where the answers differ amongst the scholars, and since those scholar who agree and disagree look at different point of Islamic history.

Regards,

For every barbaric uncivilized and illegal practice in the name of islam, what you say above is the same useless excuse that every islam defendor comes up with.

That mau be a convenient response to just wiggle out of facong up to such stupoid customs but not for long.

[psyah]

Re: Muslim Converts into Hindu.

@NaTaLia

well i have a friend ,we are together since GRADE 4 .her dad is a muslim and mom is a gori,so she always seems confused about the religion.daddy busy in work and mom busy in drinking ,i hope you get my point .well we have never interfaired with her personal life nor she ever bothered to tell us .2 years back theres a new girl in our group a HINDU .she is nice and a good student.she used to sit with us …to cut the story short my friend has converted in a HINDU:(
well still i ll say thats her choice after all its a free country but when i said that infront of my mom and dad they simply starred at me and ordered me not to meet her again and if see me with her then they ll get mad at me.my friends dad is also mad at her,but DO YOU THINK ITS HER FAULT???how can i leave her on these basis that she is no longer muslim:konfused: i know its weird converting from islam to hindu.

**so for those folks who dont want to read the whole thread my question to you is What if a Muslim girl converts to another religion? And it’s in your family or neighborhood. How do you Muslim brother and sister take it? Whats Islam say about it and you say?
**

Peace Sister NaTaLia

Here are the important points I see in your first post:

1. Dad=Muslim and Mum=Gori
   The distinction is already there laced in these defining words. Does it really make a difference if the Mother is a ‘gori’?

2. She seems always seems confused about the religion.
   So who helped her in her times of confusion? If you knew she was confused about Islam how did you help her?

3. Dad=always busy in work and Mum=drinking
   Netiher description is that of a good balanced Muslim. How did you know about these details in her life? Doesn’t it explain her confusion?

4. You never interfered with her personal life …
   It is the duty of Muslims to ‘interfere’ in each others personal lives, with wisdom. Otherwise we are not to know how they feel, whether they need something whether they are short of money etc. We need to develop such relationships with Muslims that we know how we can help them. These are basic community requirements. Have you heard the hadith about sleeping with belly full when neighbour is hungry and that hadith is about a neighbour of any religion.

5. You call the Hindu girl nice and you call her a good student
   This is the effect at least she has on you. How do Muslims in your class effect others? What is your own contribution?

6. Your own parents order you not to meet her again
   This is typical of protection tactics. Your parents may not feel confident in your position as a Muslim and feel that you may convert too if you were to continue meeting with her. That is the only reason why they say this. Of course you should try even harder to present Islam as the way it should be presented, her converting could be your reason for becoming learned and proficient in Islam. Let your friends see a change in you and see what happens.

You are totally right that you cannot abandon her. As a hindu or as a Muslim she is obviously trying to rid herself of the confusion probably an attack on her parents to start giving her attention. She has found a rock to rely on - that hindu girl you spoke of. The reason why Islam was not her choice is probably because she equated Islam with busy fathers who don’t have time for their daughters.

Many strong reverts to Islam have once been Buddhist, Hindu, Atheists, etc so she seems to be soul-searching. Yes, you cannot interfere in her decision but you can try to demonstrate Islam in the way it should be presented. This means this is an awakening call to all Muslims in your class.

Try to be the nicest person and best in the class, try to dress, act and talk Islamically if you not already doing so and you will see the effect. If your parents see a change in you towards Islam then may be they will not say anything about not meeting your friend … Give it a try inshaAllah.

[SlaveofAllaah]

Re: Muslim Converts into Hindu.

@Tariq_Akhtar

For every barbaric uncivilized and illegal practice in the name of islam, what you say above is the same useless excuse that every islam defendor comes up with.

That mau be a convenient response to just wiggle out of facong up to such stupoid customs but not for long.

Salam Tariq,

Well i agree with you but seems like you have got me wrong and slightly personal rather than querying more on this topic. If you try to search I have written a rebuttal on Apostacy . I dont believe that an Apostate should be killed but a renegade (depends on the situation) ofcourse yes.

What your concern is i do comprehend, well given a chance i hope i could post the same article or will pm you at best. Secondly, the last time this topic of Apostacy was picked up the posts were completely polarized and my sole reason is to stop bickering for small issues (i hope you get my drift).

Well, I hope you can just try to be slightly open minded with your outlook thanks brother.

Luckily this is the post they are couple of them in detail and here is the link

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=259924&page=2

Take care have a nice time and see the fun now.

First up, this is very much a debatable topic, and accordingly i adhere to USR becaus times are different, and if brother USR remembers we did have discussion about this earlier, because apostacy has different rulings with different time.

Secondly, here i will bring in few verses of the Quran and few hadith to back up the claim.

We have to understand Apostacy as a penalty is promised by Allaah in the Quran, than by the human.After that in again becomes situational based and then the word ‘renegade’ comes into picture.

My first Verse is,

There is no compulsion in religion Verse 2:256.

Now keeping the above verse in mind is apostacy a fair ruling then. One place in the Quran it states no compulsion in religion, and then if some disbelieves cut him down. But for a murtid who is the the one who punishes. For these verses in the Quran below clearly states if someone first believes and then disbelieves Allaah will penalise them.

Say, The truth is from your Lord: Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it): for the wrong-doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in: if they implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How uncomfortable a couch to recline on!
[The Quran ; 18:29]

**90: Surely, those who disbelieve after their believing, then increase in unbelief, their repentance shall not be accepted, and these are they that go astray. **

91: Surely, those who disbelieve and die while they are unbelievers, the earth full of gold shall not be accepted from one of them, though he should offer to ransom himself with it, these it is who shall have a painful chastisement, and they shall have no helpers.
[The Quran ; 3:90-91]

Please also refer verses 4:137-138. Also check 18: 21,22.

So infact in the above verses the person is continually inclined towards disbelief even here there was no question of apostacy. Well, again the reason is its situational based and if charged for treason.

So we find no evidence from the Quran. One more interesting stuff to note here is just suppose a person disbelieves in Islam, but still just to show to the outside world is still a Muslim but this is an act of hypocrisy, and believe me hypocrisy is a much bigger sin compared to Apostacy.

Now let me back it up with hadith also,

Narrated by Bukhari Vol 9, hadith 316
Jabir ibn `Abdullah narrated that a Bedouin pledged allegiance to the Apostle of Allah for Islam (i.e. accepted Islam) and then the Bedouin got fever whereupon he said to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) “cancel my pledge.” But the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) refused. He (the Bedouin) came to him (again) saying, “Cancel my pledge.” But the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) refused. Then he (the Bedouin) left (Medina). Allah’s Apostle said, “Madinah is like a pair of bellows (furnace): it expels its impurities and brightens and clear its good.”

This has always been my say someones wants to quit Islam then let him do it.

[SlaveofAllaah]

Re: Muslim Converts into Hindu.

^ We have some unfinished business in other threads would you care to respond otherwise i have grave doubts about you.

[Maham]

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NaTaLia, this is indeed a complication situation for every1 involved. Thats why i alwayz say mix marriages are really not a good idea...i mean ok supposively the couple is 2 much in luv 2 think abt anything else but they shud think abt their future...kids...wat they wl go thru...ok chalo suppose they cudnt think abt that at that time but atleast after u have kids u must educate them...if the girl's dad didnt pay attention 2 her didnt teach her abt Islam at the 1st place so now he is wrong in getting mad at her. If you dont teach your kids about Islam and they r intelligent enuff 2 go deep into religion and decide what they want to believe in than its not their fault. I just hope she converted not for her frnd's sake but for her own belief. Now that she has converted all you can do is to perhaps ask her the reason for her converting? if it was just anger 2wards her dad? or just 2 relate 2 her frnd? or if she truly studied the religion and wanted 2 adapt it. In the latter case, you can alwayz have discussion with her....tell her wat u feel...its upto u...if u r a strong muslim...not only by name but virtue 2...u can teach her abt it but ofcourse only if she is willing.

[Maham]

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These threads should be removed. every month I see some or the other thread about people converting from one religion to another. whats the big deal? what to discuss about that?

how hard is it to ignore a topic if its not upto yr liking?. You mite not like such discussion but many like me do and i suppose this forum is for every1, rite?. So next time think 2wice or maybe thrice before throwing in such a suggestion cuz there r some people who like to guide others and indulge in good discussions.

[Maham]

Re: Muslim Converts into Hindu.

Natalia, If your friend was not Muslim and converted to Hinduism, she is allowed to convert to Islam. If she was a Muslim, and then converted to Hinduism, then she cannot come back to Islam, as this is seen as Shirk, and the only sin which Allah does not forgive. This has been mentioned many times, especially in the first few chapters/surahs of the Quran.

Quote it please!

what? i mite not have read the whole quran with translation but this so can't be true cuz Islam is a religion based on logic and this is so illogical.