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Hareem, I dont know where you are living but things dont usually go the way you imply. First of all, a Good muslim is very capable of attending an event EVEN IF there is haram meat and drinks. Just dont consume it yourself. Period. If you feel that you cannot attend a function where there will surely be haram (ALONG with halaal) things for consumption,then you need to live in a country where this is the law and nothing else is allowed. Otherwise, Live and Let Live so that everyone is happy.
What? That's silly. Is going to the prom is a must in USA or UK? No, its not.
And when you say that Hijaab will make them prominent, maybe you could be right but then again not. We have hijaabis in our town and they fit right in and make no big deal of it. It doesnt have to be this big deal where you hide the girls from all eyes. If a girl is dressed modestly and maintains her modesty, honesty and morals then theres no reason why she cannot attend a time-honored school tradition. IMHO.
And a modest woman should stay away from imodest places and activities.
Dancing is part of a prom, hijabi can avoid dancing but would she avoid watching others dance?
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Do you go for your shopping in a grocery store or do you go for enjoying a feast there?
Your starting to get senseless. I don't have any problem going to a grocery store, but apparently for you any place that has "haram" food is off limits, so that means a grocery store is off limits for you. Grocery store has pork, other haram products...etc.....
I think your starting to see the light..right...you go to the grocery store for groceries..your halal groceries even though the haram ones are available...
now if we use the same logic at let's say a Bonefish Grill, yes they have haram menu options...but you have the sensibility to order something halal.....
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is a prom something like where all students of one class meet up and celebrate their graduation and get their certificate?
if yes, WHY would I EMBARASS my son/daughter if I join them????????? WHY????? Friends, Friends, Friends. The best friend in your life is Allah and your parents if they treat you as a friend. Who is a friend?
A friend is someone who listens to you, talks to you openly about everything and I mean EVERYTHING! The mother with the daughters and the father with the sons. I don't want to waste my kids on their ego and I will do everything
so that doesn't happen. I don't want to hear my kids say "I was raised wrong and that is why I blaze sh't" like I do. I have learned alot through my parents and I'm grateful to God that he showed me not to raise my kids the way I was raised!
I still love my parents. Thanks for the mistakes you made, through your mistakes I learned.
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Your starting to get senseless. I don't have any problem going to a grocery store, but apparently for you any place that has "haram" food is off limits, so that means a grocery store is off limits for you. Grocery store has pork, other haram products...etc.....
I think your starting to see the light..right...you go to the grocery store for groceries..your halal groceries even though the haram ones are available...
now if we use the same logic at let's say a Bonefish Grill, yes they have haram menu options...but you have the sensibility to order something halal.....
I said if there's any haram food or drinks around in a gathering (parties, feasts etc). Grocery shop is different to a social place like pubs and hotels, people don't come to eat and drink in a grocery shop(if it doesn't have a cafe).
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Muslims should not attend any gatherings with haram food and drinks around, that is the view of the scholars and i expect from hijabis to know that.
Muslims and their kids should live in a cocoon what about the opportunity to go to a prom and make dawa ? How ?
Someone comes to you and asks , hey why are you not enjoying the dance and the pork .
You say sorry it is not forbidden in my religion.
The person asks more questions and a dialog starts now it is up to you how you take advantage of it. I see all these opportunities as dawa opportunities. Try going to door to door and make dawa as opposed to going to bicultural parties and seizing the opportunities to make dawa.
But you are a women , you have a different role , so you cannot go out door to door to make dawa so you will not know the pain and agony attached to that door to door dawa.
The scholars go with me to invitations by churches and various groups of other faiths where I help these scholars out by acting as a translator. These are not run of the mill scholars , these are big name scholars , I am not going to name any names as you will start discrediting them too. There is pork and alcohol on the dinner or lunch table in addition to fish and chips. Never ever I have seen any scholar dictating the invitee about what they will be serving afterword's.
The point being , you do not arrange these kind of parties where pork or alcohol is served but you can go to one , you do not consume those things.
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Mirch, I dont get much of your post because I dont know what is "Dawa"....so I will just tell a couple of things here....
My son who attends kindergarten (6 yrs old) has a kid in his class who is Muslim. His mom and his sister (5th grade) are hijaabis. They are very proud of their religion and always on holidays like Eid, the Mom comes to each of their classes and tells the class about the holiday, what it means, how they celebrate etc. She allows them a christmas tree and presents at christmastime too. Yet, even in Kindergarten, her son knows what is haraam and what is halaal, what is ok for THEM may not be OK for him because he is Muslim. Yet its all ok and he gets along beautifully with ALL the children and at all the functions while adhering to HIS religion. At the age of 6, he is wiser than some adults I've met up with - the type who shun all "amrikaans" and/or their celebrations and functions simply because something haraam may be served. Muslims ARE allowed to attend functions and be around haraam things, they are just not allowed to indulge themselves in these things. THATs what it boils down to and thats what Muslims need to evaluate for themselves...can I go to this function and avoid temptation if I see it? MASHALLAH they will just go about their business and their friends and their fun and not be bothered in the slightest about the haraam things.
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Muslims and their kids should live in a cocoon what about the opportunity to go to a prom and make dawa ? How ?
Someone comes to you and asks , hey why are you not enjoying the dance and the pork .
You say sorry it is not forbidden in my religion.
The person asks more questions and a dialog starts now it is up to you how you take advantage of it. I see all these opportunities as dawa opportunities. Try going to door to door and make dawa as opposed to going to bicultural parties and seizing the opportunities to make dawa.
But you are a women , you have a different role , so you cannot go out door to door to make dawa so you will not know the pain and agony attached to that door to door dawa.
The scholars go with me to invitations by churches and various groups of other faiths where I help these scholars out by acting as a translator. These are not run of the mill scholars , these are big name scholars , I am not going to name any names as you will start discrediting them too. There is pork and alcohol on the dinner or lunch table in addition to fish and chips. Never ever I have seen any scholar dictating the invitee about what they will be serving afterword's.
The point being , you do not arrange these kind of parties where pork or alcohol is served but you can go to one , you do not consume those things.
Okay, so hijabis go to proms to preach Islam, that's another new weirdest thing I've learnt today on GS.
I think the example of scholars you've given above is talking about the intention of those scholars who want to give dawah to non muslims and at the same time they HAVE TO eat and drink with them.
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Mirch, I dont get much of your post because I dont know what is "Dawa"....so I will just tell a couple of things here....
My son who attends kindergarten (6 yrs old) has a kid in his class who is Muslim. His mom and his sister (5th grade) are hijaabis. They are very proud of their religion and always on holidays like Eid, the Mom comes to each of their classes and tells the class about the holiday, what it means, how they celebrate etc. She allows them a christmas tree and presents at christmastime too. Yet, even in Kindergarten, her son knows what is haraam and what is halaal, what is ok for THEM may not be OK for him because he is Muslim. Yet its all ok and he gets along beautifully with ALL the children and at all the functions while adhering to HIS religion. At the age of 6, he is wiser than some adults I've met up with - the type who shun all "amrikaans" and/or their celebrations and functions simply because something haraam may be served. Muslims ARE allowed to attend functions and be around haraam things, they are just not allowed to indulge themselves in these things. THATs what it boils down to and thats what Muslims need to evaluate for themselves...can I go to this function and avoid temptation if I see it? MASHALLAH they will just go about their business and their friends and their fun and not be bothered in the slightest about the haraam things.
Dawa/Dawah is preaching.
I can so relate to what you are saying and have tons of similar stories.
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I haven't read all the replies in this thread but I really am curious and a little suprised at how people have all sorts of images of a 'prom'. Honestly, I guess it does depend on the different schools and wherever you are as well, but it's not often I have come across such a cheap image of a prom - NOT the ones that take place in my school anyway. I mean, firstly I know that they do NOT serve alcohol etc (proms that take place in secoundary schools over here), because like someone else mentioned before.. it's illegal, everyones either 15 or 16. Plus, there usually are most of the teachers present at the prom, including parents of several students too, so I really can't understand this "OMG-teenagers-alone" take either. The way I (and my friends/school/teachers) have seen it, it's like this big event/party as a farewell kinda thing.. the last time your together with your secoundary school.
Anyhow, I WAS planning on going to our school prom as I am in my last year - and YES I was planning on wearing my hijab - simply because of the way I see things myself, not what 10 million others have seen on TV/movies/rubbish.. I mean, I've always worn my hijab everywhere and I really don't see why not at the prom, same goes for the other hijabans that choose to. I mean, I've always seen pics at our school from proms years back, and there are MANY girls who choose to wear their hijab and no they're not smoking/drinking/dancing.. I mean wth, you choose what you want to do! Anyway, even though I won't be able to make it to the prom because of another special family event going on that day, I really don't see it from my view as this cheap-dirty dancing hangout for every person who decides to go.
And honestly to the person (forgotten who it was) who said something about religious values and hijabans going to proms - now, what on earth them 2 things have to do with each other, I have no idea as to why this was even brought up but who are you to sit back and judge the values of another Muslim who happens to wear hijab, all because they decide to go to the prom? Honestly.
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wearing of hijab or niqaab in a prom will make them prominent as most people in proms are usually half naked.
Are they really? It's not your fault, it's either hollywood/bollywood/whateverwood OR where you live, seriously. Honestly, everything you say revolves around this 'image' or 'definition' you have of a prom - which simply does not fit everyones, because it's just not the same for everyone.
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I haven't read all the replies in this thread but I really am curious and a little suprised at how people have all sorts of images of a 'prom'. Honestly, I guess it does depend on the different schools and wherever you are as well, but it's not often I have come across such a cheap image of a prom - NOT the ones that take place in my school anyway. I mean, firstly I know that they do NOT serve alcohol etc (proms that take place in secoundary schools over here), because like someone else mentioned before.. it's illegal, everyones either 15 or 16. Plus, there usually are most of the teachers present at the prom, including parents of several students too, so I really can't understand this "OMG-teenagers-alone" take either. The way I (and my friends/school/teachers) have seen it, it's like this big event/party as a farewell kinda thing.. the last time your together with your secoundary school.
Anyhow, I WAS planning on going to our school prom as I am in my last year - and YES I was planning on wearing my hijab - simply because of the way I see things myself, not what 10 million others have seen on TV/movies/rubbish.. I mean, I've always worn my hijab everywhere and I really don't see why not at the prom, same goes for the other hijabans that choose to. I mean, I've always seen pics at our school from proms years back, and there are MANY girls who choose to wear their hijab and no they're not smoking/drinking/dancing.. I mean wth, you choose what you want to do! Anyway, even though I won't be able to make it to the prom because of another special family event going on that day, I really don't see it from my view as this cheap-dirty dancing hangout for every person who decides to go.
Which school do you go to? I live in the UK and I'm curious to know about schools in UK for my own children.
And honestly to the person (forgotten who it was) who said something about religious values and hijabans going to proms - now, what on earth them 2 things have to do with each other, I have no idea as to why this was even brought up but who are you to sit back and judge the values of another Muslim who happens to wear hijab, all because they decide to go to the prom? Honestly.
I wasn't talking about your holy school and your holy prom. sorry if my words hurt you.
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Are they really? It's not your fault, it's either hollywood/bollywood/whateverwood OR where you live, seriously. Honestly, everything you say revolves around this 'image' or 'definition' you have of a prom - which simply does not fit everyones, because it's just not the same for everyone.
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Its great to see you have nothing better to do in your day than to look up old threads and compare & contrast user’s comment. Must be fun.
Here is one of the comments I made in that thread:
“Why are you even going to the prom? Im sure you are aware what kind of a party it is..its just a flashy dance party where you overspend ur parents money on crap :)”
I am not sure how literally you took every word in that thread, apparently partially memorizing comments…but I wasn’t exactly 100% serious & gung ho about it. Rather jokingly, and just giving my thoughts, that perhaps the girl who seems to be a hijabi, may or may not be aware of the stuff at prom. It got taken wrongly and I guess I said other things.
Anyways you can change opinions, or im sorry is that not allowed on GS? And nowhere have I said that PROM is now a holy madrasa place to go. Yes bad things exist, but its up to the individual to decide to partake in it or not.
Kids do have sex, AFTER the prom (some of them do..and some dont), or do things there…but that doesn’t mean a person must do the SAME…they can go home after prom…rather than follow…
Also I am surprised you didn’t take the other person hareem’s comment into a quote, whereas now she thinks its wrong…:
Originally Posted by **Afro-Sheen** [http://www.paklinks.com/gs/images/buttons/viewpost.gif](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?p=5121164#post5121164)
Why are you even going to the prom? Im sure you are aware what kind of a party it is..its just a flashy dance party where you overspend ur parents money on crap :)
you know what? you dont have to wear a prom dress only in a prom.
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Which school do you go to? I live in the UK and I'm curious to know about schools in UK for my own children.
I wasn't talking about your holy school and your holy prom. sorry if my words hurt you.
I'm not going to disclose my school's name on here. Plus, unless your in B'ham, you probably won't even know what I'm on about. Same thing with the pics, I mean first of all I said they were SCHOOL pics so I do not have access to them, they're kept in school.. secondly, even if I had them, I wouldn't be posting them on here for the most obvious reason - they're not mine and I don't have permission from whoever they belong to.
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We didnt hav a prom in my time!..which was only a few years bak
Even if schools in the UK hav introduced such thingz as a prom i think they are very different from promz in the US! It’z more of a big deal there and has been for many years. I’m assuming coz theres not as many muslims in each state, it is of the more ‘gorified’ nature and is like the most biggest n most important social event, with little boundaries. whereas in the uk, especially cities like B’ham where theres alot of muslimz and the society is very much multicultural the schools are very considerate wen organising such eventz, and hence the muslim kids can take part! but despite saying tht no one can actually control wat happenz after such events, and neither can we say certain behaviours are influenced by proms etc, especially if the actual event is conducted in a decent n correct manner. When i was leaving school we had a ‘leavers day’, and it took place during the day for abt 2-3 hrs, and we cud dress up etc, and it was just a last get together to take pictures etc nuthing formal like a prom.
