Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

[mercenary2k]

Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

@Sharaabi

** What makes them muslims?** Their muslim names or their beards, if they have any? Iam sorry but none of them is a proof of being a Muslim. In case you dont know, one of the things that nullifies the Islam, is allying with the Kuffar against your muslim brothers.

As far as being Pakistanis...YES they very much are Pakistanis, but that doesn't mean a thing, since we are muslims and the criteria of our relationships is the Deen.

Same could be asked about you

[hypnotix-2000]

Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

@Seminole

So because people in some country somewhere insult and demean, that somehow gives you the right to do the same? It's a good thing they aren't jumping off bridges.

You can't judge who is Muslim and who isn't. Even so, these soldiers are not necessarily "aginst your Muslim brothers". Who said these people they are against are any more Muslim than they are? Because they have a Muslim name and a beard?

You are so quick to say others are non-Muslim, making stuff up like this and calling it Islam may give others reason to call you non-Muslim.

Seminole, watch out... 666 ain't good a number, especially for REP Power lol :)

[Sharaabi]

Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

@Crescent_

Salam all,

can we please focus on the article at hand, and take the rest of the irrelevant debate out of here.

JazakAllah.

The crux of the matter boils down to aqeedah. There is no point in posting Sister Yvonne's articles here, since people do not seem to have the basics of the Deen. There is no Wala wal Bara...they seem to have forgotten that the Emmigrant Companions raised swords against their blood relatives in Badr and Uhod and Khandaq....while they befriended the Ansaar, solely on the basis of the Deen.

They continue to harbor love for the Shias and call them muslims, while they know what the Shias and their Leaders say about Abu Bakr, Umar and Aisha and others (may Allah be pleased with them).

They do not know what islam is. For many, islam is all about being born in a muslim family and then you're free to do whatever you want to do and Allah is Ghafoor wa Raheem. This is not the Islam the Prophet (sas) came with.

The Problem with the Muslims today is not new. A certain group of muslims made the same mistakes a good thousand odd years ago, when they read the Quran through the lenses of Aristotelian thought. Today muslims have shoved aside the wealth of knowledge the Prophet left us with, known as the Hadith and are reading the Quran through the lenses of libertarianism.

[hypnotix-2000]

Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

^ Peace bro Sharaabi,
Inferring that Muta'azzilites and the like were Artistotalian chipmonks on the basis that they opted to view the Quran on a stand-alone basis is something I hardly consider a rationale. Stop viewing the world from your distorted lens! God has distroyed nations because they failed to realize that they must lead the world by being the best of humanity (not by breaking down in petty fights)... we are no exception if we keep this up!

[hareem01]

Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

I knew most muslims would feel insecure or angry because the way Yvonne wrote the article, she's right in making most of the points but it's not wise to use harsh language or being sarcastic if you want people to listen to you.

[chacha_Ghalib]

Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

That's pathetic. You should really check your level of intellect because generalizing on others doesn't prove anything. There's no need to call people names, or assume their alliances because you don't know a thing about Crescent. So how about just keeping ur anti-east Extremists ideology to urself? He could just as well call you the Anti-Islam Nazi Fascist.. see how easily words get tossed around. Lets please refrain from that.

there is absolutely no point arguing with mercenary... i think the nick was well chosen. This is a guy who doesn't give a damn how many people are killed or whether they are innocent or guilty as long as he gets one over the muslims. Back in the day when iranians held some british sailors captive, Mr. Mercenary said he hoped the iranians would kill them so the british could have an excuse to invade iran.

[hareem01]

Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

@chacha_Ghalib

there is absolutely no point arguing with mercenary... i think the nick was well chosen. This is a guy who doesn't give a damn how many people are killed or whether they are innocent or guilty as long as he gets one over the muslims. Back in the day when iranians held some british sailors captive, Mr. Mercenary said he hoped the iranians would kill them so the british could have an excuse to invade iran.

Shukr hai Iranian President nay mercenary2K se mashwara nahi maang liya...

[mercenary2k]

Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

@chacha_Ghalib

there is absolutely no point arguing with mercenary... i think the nick was well chosen. This is a guy who doesn't give a damn how many people are killed or whether they are innocent or guilty as long as he gets one over the muslims. Back in the day when iranians held some british sailors captive, Mr. Mercenary said he hoped the iranians would kill them so the british could have an excuse to invade iran.

really?

please find that post that I wrote

[ravage]

Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

@Sharaabi

If posting this made you feel better then i congratulate you. Deep down you know what you're calling out for is anything but Islam, regardless of whether you agree with me or not.

Oh so you know what I think deep down huh?

Heres the thing, lets discuss the topic instead of divining each others deepest, darkest thoughts.

You argued theres no Muslim vs Muslim violence, since someone who dies at the hands of extremists is usually shia, police, politician etc. I agree on the latter. I dont really care to have a theological debate with you about the former, but do you acknowledge that under all current laws in Muslim lands, a sunni killing a shia, a (muslim) policeman or politician is a Muslim killing a Muslim? Again I dont count waziristan as a state, if you are tempted to cite them as role models.

If you do, do you accept that legally its pretty much OK to say that Muslim on Muslim violence is a very likely cause of violent death in the Muslim world?

I'll let Allah decide once we're up there who was and wasnt Muslim amongst the blown-up. I understand you feel most of the blown up people werent Muslim, but again, the world is a much bigger place, with very many intelligent people aside from you, and the people you know. Evidently most Muslims are yet to consult the Sharabi oracle of Musalmaniyat and havent as yet framed their legal systems accordingly. Till then, live with the fact that any discussion of Muslim bloodshed will include people you sorta kinda like in less than flattering terms.

[chacha_Ghalib]

Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

@mercenary2k

really?

please find that post that I wrote

here you are…

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=4902964&postcount=36

following are your thoughts in that thread…
**
I wish Iran would go ahead and Execute them

Iran and Iranians are punks. Europeans are not reacting harsh enough towards Iran. If Iran kills these 15 soldiers then maybe it will send a jolt to Europe that Iran is a dangerous state which needs to be dealt with.

Iran should execute them as Zionist spies

****I wish Iran would execute all of them

And then let the students rampage in the British embassy and lynch the entire embassy staff…**

and after they were released…

**damn, i was hoping they would be executed as zionist spies

**so you are the one to talk about extremists who are killing innocents. These guys were innocent in your eyes and yet you wanted them killed to suit your purpose.

[mercenary2k]

Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

^^ and where in that do I state that England should invade Iran?

you seriously need to do a better job in your rhetoric against me than that

[Crescent]

Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

You know the idea of a woman converting to Islam and being so active in her struggle to wake up the Ummah alone deserves some attention.

She uses harsh language I believe because muslims have HAD ENOUGH. There is just TOO Much injustice to sweep it under the rug.

Its not just her, I see SO Many muslims I meet enraged about the condition of their Ummah, and Alhumdulillah they are doing something about it.

We all need to be more active.

[chacha_Ghalib]

Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

mercenary:

so err why did you want them killed again?

[hareem01]

Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

@Crescent_

You know the idea of a woman converting to Islam and being so active in her struggle to wake up the Ummah alone deserves some attention.

She uses harsh language I believe because muslims have HAD ENOUGH. There is just TOO Much injustice to sweep it under the rug.

Its not just her, I see SO Many muslims I meet enraged about the condition of their Ummah, and Alhumdulillah they are doing something about it.

We all need to be more active.

I agree but speaking out for only muslims is not fair, we as muslims should be doing it for all the oppressed people regardless of their religion, sect or nationality or race.

[PyariCgudia]

Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

Crescent, you are a fine specimen of how blind we are as an ummah. Jahil, but educated, a paradox of a nation.

Can you please tell me how the British Parliament collapsed when the Ottoman Empire fell? Ive heard this among Pakistani Emotionally Handicapped religious oriented people many times, but the truth of the matter is the British Empire only used religion as a vehicle of power, not as an ideological struggle. If it behooved them to destroy Islam for material gain, they did. When it didnt: Partition of India, they let be.

As far as relations between the British and Turks, the British Empire and French Empire had great relations with the Osmanli Empire; they needed a "barrier" between themselves and the Russians. The Russian Empire was the "other" in the European powers system, being Orthodox Christian for longer than the Protestants and Catholics.

Secondly, even if foreign forces were not in our nations, we would still act the same uncouth and barbaric like. We would begin to kill ourselves between religious and ethnic differences. Afterall the May 2007 MQM incident wasnt foreign influenced. Nor was the regime of the Saudis or the inept and corrupt governments from East to West. We as a people are backwards and disorganized. Foreign powers have long come multiple times: Tang Empire Byzantine Empire Crusades Mongol Expansion It isnt the first time, but we cant protect ourselves because we are corrupt and infighting, not because we are inherently weak.

You are right that the Saddam regime didnt have WMDs, and the biggest proof of that is that they were invaded. Because if they did have WMDs they would have never been invaded just like North Korea. Diplomacy is different from invasion.

However your theory on Muslims not invading and causing 911 is also illogical. Do you think all these wars being fought are fake? If so, why are the Arabs and Pakistanis working for them? Why are their London and Madrid and New York and Amsterdam killings? Randomly?

Crescent: I am seeing your comments after a little time and clearly this thread has gone from A to Z while I was gone. I'd reply to your comments to me, but I think Biddah has taken pretty good care of it. Its exactly what I was thinking in response to your comments.

[PyariCgudia]

Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

Salam,

I agree, and lest not forget that she wanted to dish out the bad from the Taliban...and was taken captive by them. Her story was remarkable, and well applauded back in 2004...but now, she is seen as a traitor by those SAME happy clappies? What is this?

She is totally valid in her point that we are being told to dilute our Islam, she is totally valid on the point that we're being nurtured and conditioned to forget our Ummah.

Her points are valid, i was there, at her speech convention, hundreds of muslims back in 2004, cheered her on, she wasn't even a muslim back then!

And now, we're so soft that we're being told to stay quiet, while muslim blood is shed?

If anything, its being shed due to external influence, muslims dont innately kill each other. One call from the oval office, and a bomb is dropped on a mosque by the Pak Military, of the "ISLAMIC nation" of the world. One call, and the president is told "help us kill muslims, or be prepared to be bombed back to the stone ages". This is the chivalry we defend?

I suggest people read the other article on here, the interview by Sh Hamza Yusuf.

Maybe because she is showing complete disrespect by calling perfectly normal law-abiding moderate minded muslim citizens "happy clappies".

[Crescent]

Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

Maybe because she is showing complete disrespect by calling perfectly normal law-abiding moderate minded muslim citizens "happy clappies".

Salam,

Abu Jahal could be law abiding for all that matters, doesnt' make him credible.
Yazeed could be law abiding for all that matters, doesn't mean he can preach islam.
Bush can be law abiding, doesn't mean he is the most honest person in the world.

Law-abiding has nothing to do with distortion of one's religion, in this case being watered down so we may please the west.

I can see where you're coming from, but instead we need to see where we have to go.

[mercenary2k]

Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

@chacha_Ghalib

mercenary:

so err why did you want them killed again?

so it will actually prove whether all Iran's huffing and puffing was acutally real or not?

and also show the conviction of the british

I am getting very annoyed by Iran's filibustering

[Iconoclast]

Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

Maybe because she is showing complete disrespect by calling perfectly normal law-abiding moderate minded muslim citizens "happy clappies".

Before accusing her of disrespect you shud do a peek into your own "gareebaan". You are one of the most insulting persons on this board.

[Moonshiner]

Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

@Sharaabi

Shias are not muslims

So Jinnah, who was a Shia founded Pakistan, therefore ALL Pakistanis are not Muslims. Thanks for clearing that up Sharabi, you kaffir you!!

Jazakallah.