Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

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Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

Salam,

Backing up is due here as well.
You said you were going to move on, because you just didnt want to believe in what she said. We discussed it enough, and you seem to be unconvinced. Talked about nasheeds, while 90% of the article was on the ummah under peril. We discussed that, what else is to be said.

Wsalam.

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Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

Walekum Assalam

I understand what you mean now, apologies for being too combative, I've been up all night.

No, by moving on I meant as in not contacting her and asking her about it. Anyway, you're right, not much else to be said about it. Probably doesnt deserve as much thought anyway.

FWIW I have no feelings about nasheeds, I hate them mostly. But an article on Muslim blood finding place for that, and omitting Muslim blood spilt from Muslim religiously motivated killings is horribly dishonest.

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Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

Salaam bro,

No one in their right mind, including her, CANNOT condemn the suicide bombings and killing of innocents. She does, but she is bringing up the issue at hand here.

Ok Muslims are dying, muslims kill muslims. What are the rationales behind that? Whats the source of all this division and animosity?

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Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

I dont really know what it is. Probably isnt any one thing. Could be our own divisions and factionalism that always existed. Could be increased by local Powers (like Saudi Arab and Iran) wishing to increase their influence. Could be bigger powers playing their role and increasing their influence.

Nobody really has any control over anything except yourself. Likewise as a community, we can only reasonably expect to control ourselves, which is why I feel that the focus should be within, if you really want to value Muslim blood. You cant expect an enemy not to act like one. You can expect your own people not to fall prey to that. She says Muslims are radicalized into doing this stuff, why blame the radicalization and excuse the radicals, even if you buy the idea that this all started after the Afghanistan invasion, when the 90s were the most brutal decade for sectarian violence in Pak history.

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Can some one please explain, what exactly is meant by the rhetoric.."muslims killing muslims"?

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I think its about sunni muslims killing shias and vice versa or people killing each other in Pakistan on ethnic bias. No shortage of both of them in Pakistan.

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Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

What ethnic killing are you talking about? Yes there is ethnic hatred and may be a few riots or even clashes, but "ethnic killing" like how you put hasn't been witnessed in pakistan, alhumdulilah.

As far Sunnis killing Shias...let it be heard once again that Shias are not muslims. So there goes the "muslims killing muslims" rhetoric out of the window once again.

What we are lately seeing, in almost all of the suicide operations, is that the target are either police or the military or the politicians. No "muslims killing muslims" here either, because Pakistani Administration made its choice when Bush said "You're either with us or with them".

Any more "muslims killing muslims" instances?

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Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

I'm persoanl witness to a man being killed by a mob in 1977's political riots. He was killed, burnt, hanged and when asked for water, he was pissed on. And he was no shia or anything.

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Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

What about Sunni Al Qaeda and Sunni Taliban killing Sunni Pakistani Soldiers and blowing up suicide bombs killing Sunni Pakistani citizens?

Is that Muslim on Muslim violence?

What about when Sunni Al Qaeda kills Sunni Iraqi Tribal Leaders?

Is that Muslim on Muslim violence?

What about when Sunni Hamas fights Sunni Fatah?

Is that Muslim on Muslim violence?

What about when Sunni Pakistani Soldiers killed Sunni Bangladeshis in 1971?

Is that Muslim on Muslim violence?

What about when Sunni Jordanian Soldiers killed 10,000 Sunni PLO fighters in September 1970 with the help of Sunni Zia ul Haq?

Is that Muslim on Muslim violence?

What about when Sunni Turkish Soldiers kill Sunni Kurdish PKK militants?

Is that Muslim on Muslim violence?

What about when Sunni Al Qaeda fought the Sunni Lebanese Army in 2007?

Is that Muslim on Muslim violence?

What about when Sunni Saddam invaded Sunni Kuwait in 1990?

Is that Muslim on Muslim violence?

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Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

On Dec 19, 1986 a mob belonging to an ethnic group attacked the houses of the other group and burnt houses, killed men, women and children here in Karachi. Death toll was no less than 200 then.

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Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

I think Muslims have killed each other with callous burtuality in 1400 years history.

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Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

Sunni Turkish Soldiers, Sunni Fatah, Sunni Jordanians, Sunni Lebanese Army, Sunni Pakistani army, Sunni Saddam Hussein...more rhetoric flowing from the lefties.

Do you guys even think before writing? Hell...you didn'nt even read my post before quoting it and posting your crap next to it.

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Right, since anyone your B-team fights is by default not a Muslim, therefore there is no Muslim killing Muslims.

Tell you what, lets just take the sharaabi oracle of Muslimiyyat out of the equation. You find me a country of Muslims where a sunni killing a shia, or a member of the police, politicians, administration or the army is not legally classified as a Muslim killing a Muslim. Islamic emirate of Waziristan, maybe. Most of us arent really from there, and dont intend to adopt their standards, sad as that may make you. And if you find all the laws of Muslim lands irrelevant, then forgive us for finding you and your kind's laws irrelevant.

Its probably a fair assumption that someone motivated enough to kill another would harbour pretty bad thoughts about him. thinking he's not a Muslim is probably just a first, baby step. doesnt change facts for the rest of us.

Interesting you call people here "lefties". Pray what "right"-wing political organizations have the same view as you?

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Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

Sharaabi, drinking is bad for your health. Next time be in your full senses before posting bigotry. Insults on Shias will not work here.
And regarding your killings of military or police. They are one of us!!! They are muslims and secondly they are Pakistanis!!
It's so sad to see people like you polluting this board. I had high hopes of finding non of you people alike on this board ever again.
I have been completely disappointed this time.

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Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

Salam all,

can we please focus on the article at hand, and take the rest of the irrelevant debate out of here.

JazakAllah.

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Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

In general third word blood and lives are lot lot cheaper than others, in all respects and all religions and all countries.

Whether it be accidents, lack of nutrition, lack of medical care, crime, terrorism ..... Large scale bloodshed and fatalities are experienced with nary a protest.

For 3000 deaths on 9/11 the whole world is paying for even after 6 years, and multifold. Yet 10 times that die everymonth in the 3rd world and it has even ceased to be news.

And you are all talking about whether shia is muslim are not! Just plain dumb

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Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

My arguments just demolished yours

You claim that Shia are not muslim and thus Shia and Sunni killing each other does not constitute muslim on muslim violence

I just gave you a dozen examples of sunni killing sunni

You are a joke

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Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

If posting this made you feel better then i congratulate you. Deep down you know what you're calling out for is anything but Islam, regardless of whether you agree with me or not.

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Insults on Shias will not work here.
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But the shias are free to insult the Companions of the Prophet and his wives, in your country of origin...yet you dont utter a word. Really pleased to see where your priorities lie.

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And regarding your killings of military or police. They are one of us!!! They are muslims and secondly they are Pakistanis!!
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What makes them muslims? Their muslim names or their beards, if they have any? Iam sorry but none of them is a proof of being a Muslim. In case you dont know, one of the things that nullifies the Islam, is allying with the Kuffar against your muslim brothers.

As far as being Pakistanis...YES they very much are Pakistanis, but that doesn't mean a thing, since we are muslims and the criteria of our relationships is the Deen.

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So because people in some country somewhere insult and demean, that somehow gives you the right to do the same? It's a good thing they aren't jumping off bridges.

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What makes them muslims? Their muslim names or their beards, if they have any? Iam sorry but none of them is a proof of being a Muslim. In case you dont know, one of the things that nullifies the Islam, is allying with the Kuffar against your muslim brothers.
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You can't judge who is Muslim and who isn't. Even so, these soldiers are not necessarily "aginst your Muslim brothers". Who said these people they are against are any more Muslim than they are? Because they have a Muslim name and a beard?

You are so quick to say others are non-Muslim, making stuff up like this and calling it Islam may give others reason to call you non-Muslim.

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^ I agree with this!