Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley
^The article is 2 years old, sectarian violence has rapidly increased in last 2 years, may be thats the reason that she didn't put much or any stress on this topic.
Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley
are you kidding, Muslim infighting has been around for decades. it was more intense two years ago, if anything.
Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley
^US and co forces are equally responsible for the sectarian violence because they destabalised the country.
Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley
sure okay, i'll take even that. but wheres the criticism of these Muslims who kill each other in Allah's name? instead Yvonne bibi talks about nasheed singers in an article on the price of Muslim blood?
I hate that "Not in my name" nasheed-ditty but I didnt really die from it. I just changed the channel.
Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley
sure okay, i'll take even that. but wheres the criticism of these Muslims who kill each other in Allah's name? instead Yvonne bibi talks about nasheed singers in an article on the price of Muslim blood?
I hate that "Not in my name" nasheed-ditty but I didnt really die from it. I just changed the channel.
Yes I don't agree with all of the points she made in the article, I agree with some of them.
Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley
hareem01,
you are absolulutely correct in saying this. and it is true that a lot of what Muslims are suffering the world over today, is an outcome of the political monopoly of the US.
with that, those who are causing internal rifts, and are tyrants must also be identified and brought to justice.
it will be nice if Yvonne could explain her article and her choice of words as well as her comparisons and intonation.
best,
Dushwari
^US and co forces are equally responsible for the sectarian violence because they destabalised the country.
Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley
More from Yvonne Ridley to shed light on the topic, especially of "Muslim Extremists".
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There were 498 terrorist attacks across Europe in 2006 but the truth is Islamists carried out only ONE of them. The Basque Separatist group ETA topped the league table with 136 terrorist strikes resulting in the death of two in Madrid. Now given the perpetual warnings in our daily newspapers, radio bulletins and TV channels these statistics might come as a surprise but if you want to check out the full report, it is available on Europol’s website.
The reality is that had Islamists been behind 136 attacks we would have read it on the front pages of every daily newspaper across Europe and Ed Hussain would have been in every TV newsroom opining on the latest statistics while plugging his book. My late great Aunt Lizzie had a fantastic saying and it is something Ed Hussain should take on board. In fact, since the season of goodwill is in full swing take it free of charge, bro: “Say now't and people will just think you’re stupid. Open your mouth and they’ll know you’re stupid.”
Terrorism in Europe as these latest statistics show has no connection with Islam or Islamists. And as for what is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan – well it was the Americans who brought in the advent of suicide bombers as well as the new wave of al-Qaida recruits. It is a fact. Suicide bombing is a new phenomenon in those countries and came on the scene long after Uncle Sam set up camp. American and British foreign policy have done more to radicalise young people than any ranting cleric. Instead of feigning concern about the actions of those who are (legitimately under international law) defending Muslim lands abroad, perhaps Ed Hussain and the other Uncle Toms might like to take some responsibility next time a sister is attacked in the street because some yob sees her hijab and thinks she’s a Muslim extremist.
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Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley
haha. unbelievable.
so several thousand Muslims died in Pakistan before 9/11 at each other's hands because a yob attacked a hijabi?
as much as I hate islamophobes people like these are their equivalent. pandering to a loyal base who'll swallow any tripe just to hear an angraiz woman praise them.
i dont give a flying **** what happens in europe, but i do care about my country and people. and we have been killing each other much more frequently than any american ever did, much before any of this WOT stuff, and all motivated by religious beliefs.
with exactly the same rhetoric that we see in Iraq post Saddam. why give all of the blame for that to america and bad management? does anyone force people to bomb shia masjids and neighborhoods or go into hospitals, find sunnies and kill them? and again, please dont give me crap about dressed up soldiers, for every dressed up soldier theres a hundred, verifiable, local, inbred blow-up-happy aholes of our own.
Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley
haha. unbelievable.
so several thousand Muslims died in Pakistan before 9/11 at each other's hands because a yob attacked a hijabi?
i dont give a flying **** what happens in europe, but i do care about my country and people. and we have been killing each other much more frequently than any american ever did, much before any of this WOT stuff, and all motivated by religious beliefs.
Salam,
As a muslim, we should be concerned about Humanity as a whole. And as for our own country, more people have died at the hands of PAKISTANIS than that of the TALIBAN.
Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley
"Knowledge is for those who are learned, Signs are for those who are learned."
Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley
As a muslim, we should be concerned about Humanity as a whole. And as for our own country, more people have died at the hands of PAKISTANIS than that of the TALIBAN.
Fine, if thats how you feel, okay. Nobody is expecting her to do a comparative study, people are only asking her to be intellectually honest. The article covered secular govts, I presume Yvonne bibi would include Pakistan in that. But "more" implies the existance of "some". Acknowledge the hideous, murderous faults of the the religiously motivated crazies amongst us instead of omitting them altogether, and list those amongst the people cheapening Muslim blood instead of talking about nasheeds that somehow have some relevance to the topic of Muslims blood.
Not that I expect her to compare, but even Pakistan hasnt killed as many in Waziristan, even according to their claims, as religious organizations have killed regular Muslims over the past two decades.
Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley
Fine, if thats how you feel, okay. Nobody is expecting her to do a comparative study, people are only asking her to be intellectually honest. The article covered secular govts, I presume Yvonne bibi would include Pakistan in that. But "more" implies the existance of "some". Acknowledge the hideous, murderous faults of the the religiously motivated crazies amongst us instead of omitting them altogether, and list those amongst the people cheapening Muslim blood instead of talking about nasheeds that somehow have some relevance to the topic of Muslims blood.
Not that I expect her to compare, but even Pakistan hasnt killed as many in Waziristan, even according to their claims, as religious organizations have killed regular Muslims over the past two decades.
She didn't say that she doesn't like nasheeds, I understood it that she does like nasheeds but doesn't want them to be mixed with the pop culture.
Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley
She didn't say that she doesn't like nasheeds, I understood it that she does like nasheeds but doesn't want them to be mixed with the pop culture.
My question is why are nasheeds and the type of nasheeds she prefers in an article on Muslim blood? Why are those who blow themselves up inside a mosque at eid omitted?
Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley
Article Date should be noted, and the recent article excerpt I posted should also be noted.
Wsalam.
Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley
My question is why are nasheeds and the type of nasheeds she prefers in an article on Muslim blood? Why are those who blow themselves up inside a mosque at eid omitted?
Peace ravage
Perhaps she is only human! You can try asking her that question.
Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley
Her website has interesting articles, and her bio book has her insights into her life and what vistas opened up for her. Alot of people put her under crosshairs, but she fights back, and gives validity to her arguments.
Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley
Article Date should be noted, and the recent article excerpt I posted should also be noted.
Wsalam.
to those for whom religiously motivated killers are a recent phenomenon, I submit the fact that shia/sunni violence has been a Muslim feature before, during and after 9/11, and has claimed many more lives in Pakistan than any american did.
It doesnt matter that the article was written in 2005 or 2004. Shia killings spiked in Karachi in 2002 and 2003. The second excerpt you posted borderline justifies suicide bombings or atleast blames it on america and blames it on the yobs. It is as assinine a piece of writing as I've ever seen. Why not blame america for the nasheeds, she seem to find time to talk about those folks in detail.
psyah .. i dont really want to know her personally. i read one article, find it to be a naked propaganda piece, I move on.
Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley
to those for whom religiously motivated killers are a recent phenomenon, I submit the fact that shia/sunni violence has been a Muslim feature before, during and after 9/11, and has claimed many more lives in Pakistan than any american did.
It doesnt matter that the article was written in 2005 or 2004. Shia killings spiked in Karachi in 2002 and 2003. The second excerpt you posted borderline justifies suicide bombings or atleast blames it on america and blames it on the yobs. It is as assinine a piece of writing as I've ever seen. Why not blame america for the nasheeds, she seem to find time to talk about those folks in detail.
psyah .. i dont really want to know her personally. i read one article, find it to be a naked propaganda piece, I move on.
Salam,
As muslims we need to be objective, we need to be open and give heed to the voices of others, instead of being ignorant. Quran commands us to seek the truth, yet we make no effort to seek it.
You can move on, May Allah guide us all.
Wsalam.
Re: Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley
Salam,
As muslims we need to be objective, we need to be open and give heed to the voices of others, instead of being ignorant. Quran commands us to seek the truth, yet we make no effort to seek it.
You can move on, May Allah guide us all.
Wsalam.
Thank you for your wishes. While I share your wish that Allah guide all of us, I dont understand why you would say that at this point specifically. I can only presume you're implying that I am somehow not-objective, not-open and not-heedful of the voices of others, and am ignorant.
Unless you can back that up, you're just resorting to deflection, which I can only see as your inability to discuss the issue, and are actually using our blessed religion as a debating tactic.
I apologize if that was general advice. I agree with you in that case, and invite you to heed my voice when I say Yvonne bibi is being intellectually dishonest in this article, which is more or less a propaganda piece.