Muslim Blood - Cheap Commodity by Yvonne Ridley

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Communism was an over-hyped threat. In fact, it may well have been a major Pakistani blunder to not side with the Soviets, as the Russian relationship with India shows that they were much more loyal an ally than the Americans ever were willing to be.

As for saving Muslims from the Serbs...that was more at the behest of NATO, who couldn't tolerate a civil war so close to their door steps. Even if it were Gypsies being killed, they would have done the same...so Muslims should feel no more safe because of that action, as it has been made apparent that at least one NATO member is rather keen on fabricating pretexts for war.

Even then, that was only in Kosovo.. They did squat all for Bosnia, which in fact saw many of the reviled Mujahadeen fighting the good fight alongside Bosnians...while Nato sat by and let massacres go on, quite literally on their watch.

I should also point out that real politick retorts, although welcome and refreshing, in no way shape or form dislodges an ideological position. If anything, the fact that Americans follow their own interests enhance Crescent's position...whether Americans want to destabilize the Muslim world or not....they are doing just that.

So, by virtue of this fact, any ideology that is Chauvinistic (in the proper sense of the word), ferociously (if not militantly) independent-minded, broad and sincere in it's message of unity, and almost entirely self-interested is, dare I say, the right kind of ideology. And no, the ilk of HT, or the Taliban simply don't fit the bill...but they do get bits of the equation...

As for the Gulf Arabs profiteering from American misadventures in the region...why do you think pro-American puppets are not as hated?

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That's pathetic. You should really check your level of intellect because generalizing on others doesn't prove anything. There's no need to call people names, or assume their alliances because you don't know a thing about Crescent. So how about just keeping ur anti-east Extremists ideology to urself? He could just as well call you the Anti-Islam Nazi Fascist.. see how easily words get tossed around. Lets please refrain from that.

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Peace mercenary2k

You are mixing topics ... perhaps unwittingly ... Islam and people coming into the fold has nothing to do with 'colonial mentality' Yvonne could be as black as night or as white as chalk the fact that she emanates such authority because of her 'first hand experiences' due to her life as a journalist gives her that authority ... it has nothing to do with the British Raj.

Is that what you are? A colonialist?

At the BBQ ...
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Peace bro. Crescent_

If every Muslim had these values ... and more specifically 'loved' these values more than their own lives then we would not be in this predicament ... May Allah (SWT) give us all the strength we need to be truly submitting to Him. Ameen.

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Please,

Cresent defends Taliban and Al Qaeda and their actions.

Cresent himself called the Taliban run Afghanistan the most perfect run Islamic State.

And in my opinion, the Taliban and Al Qaeda are nothing different that the Nazis and Facists of the 1930's and 40's.

You should read some of his posts in the Pakistan Affair board

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Psyah, if Yvonne was criticizing Islam would you also defend her by saying she has that much authority?

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Salam,

Merc I dont mind discussing the issue at hand with you, but I honestly dont like the accusations you've put towards me. It is ok though, it helps me further reiterate my stance on the view that people think they know everything, when they know very little. The Illusion of knowledge as some may call it. Im sorry but I tend to ignore most of your posts.

Secondly, skin colour does not designate authority.

Anyways, back to the topic...

Bidd3h Salam, I see where you're coming from, and I wont deny the fact that there are Muslims who do give our religion a bad name. Yes, Im talking about those philosophical ones and those who harm others. However, what I am trying to defend here is the ideaology which is being brought to its knees. She mentions it in her article, that we are being told to dilute our Islam, in order to encompass their values into our lives. This way they prosper while we suffer.

Why do our women have to worry about covering themselves? Leave Islam out, what about self dignity? Rights that are innate? Why does a cloth over a women bother people? And thats just the muslim women who go through this.

Take aside the extremists, who blow themselves, and do portray a bad image of Islam, there are people like that undeniablly. However, you cannot condemn an ideology and movement based on that. Are not those ppp members that randomnly shot people on the street after the assassination terrorists? Or those people who blew up cars and buses and robbed people of their assets terrorists? In essence, they are exactly like the Taliban right?

You cannot blame the Talibanistic movement for everything, however the US can. They NEED to, in order to bring their "order" into that region. Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran and Iraq are the biggest players on their list, and they have established themselves in 2 already, openly, and in Pakistan covertly. Iran is still putting up a fight.

Its not about moving back, if Allah swt brought me to the west, then I as a muslim have to do my duty to spread Islam, because my colleagues, friends,a nd strangers I meet later on, may only have this chance to meet a muslim, or get into a discussion with one.

Infact we need more muslims here to spread Islam, everyone is God's creation, and we as muslims are now carrying the message, we have to spread it, its up to them to accept it.

As for those who defend it, its because they are being bombed, invaded, ripped of their culture and tradition, and their nationalities.

And all this article asks, all muslims should worry about is, Why are we asleep?

Our own ummah is in peril, why are we not doing something about it?

The least we can do is pray, InshAllah.

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Peace mercenary2k

The reason for her authority was not because she was defending Islam, it was because she had first hand experience.

Now, if you argue that she can have first hand experience of Islam, that would entail her to have lived 1400 years ago ... then if she criticised it she would have authority because she saw it first hand.

If however, she sees Muslims behaving unIslamically then she would have the authority to speak out against them, likewise ... she has authority about the subject she has spoken about.

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^^ Then what about Salman Rushdie?

He was born a muslim, grew up in a muslim household.

Doesn't he also have first hand experience?

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^ Thats like comparing Abu Jahal with Ali r.a. or something of that sort. Minus the muslim part.

suppose everyone is staring at u
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That is exactly your problem. The trivial thinking can not imagine on how complex issue are handled. You fail!

Alone condomnation would have had been enough on this very day by all media around the globe to raise voices against a US backed dictator.
History is one point of proving all right or wrong, but there are also other factors and facts to look at.

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See...Your issue isn't whites or non whites. Your issue is Islam. You and the person who posted above you would always have issue with the those who speak up for Islam and Muslims.

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Britain, we have an invasion of what I call the Happy Clappies. They are being flown in by the Government from the US, Canada, Yemen and Mauritania to preach a diluted form of Islam. They are poisoning the minds of our youth and we should be very wary before the Happy Clappies spread across the world. They attack Wahhabi groups in the most cynical manner … some even misuse nasheeds, and I am deeply afraid that the Happy Clappies are infecting our nasheeds with the excesses of Western pop culture.
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The end result of all this has been a dilution of the deen of Allah, a weak and pacified Islam willing to accept the status quo in which Muslims are oppressed and subjugated; an Islam in which Muslims are content to sing and dance the night away to nasheeds, to concentrate on bettering their life in the West and to condemn the actions of their brothers and sisters who courageously resist occupation and oppression with whatever they have.
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If she was this concerned with the radical idiots stirring up trouble in these western societies, she might have something to stand on. But she is complaining that western countries want to keep their countries western and diffuse the radical elements in their society. If she wants Muslims that don't concentrate on bettering their life in the West or Muslims that are cheerleaders for the homicide bombers, she ought to go back to Afghanistan.

And if she feels western pop culture is infecting her nasheed, then by all means go back to the Taliban.

Muslims are oppressed and subjugated mostly by other Muslims. If nothing else, she has definitely mastered the art form of blame displacement.

If Muslim blood is cheap, it is mostly Muslims who have set the price.

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Fellow Muslim brother and sisters,

The nation that has always had enemies throughout its history and sought to destroy them by portraying them as evil and barbaric has had people believing that hatred for decades…

Red Indians, British, Communists, Japanese, and a host of other ‘evil and barbaric’ people have been the target of this hate propaganda and now it’s the turn of the Muslims…Of course, all this is dependent upon who can serve its interests best…

As more hatred is directed towards Muslims, people like Yvonne Ridley and a host of others whose eyes Allah :swt: has opened come to realize the truth and stand up for it…

What kind of a man would it be who does not see what hatred is directed towards the Muslim? How blind must that person be? Despite the technological advances that can display any information at a stroke of a key, what desire can make them stay blind and still pursue a direction of wrong?

What kind of blindness can make them not see a single incident in history and mark it as ‘wrong’? Does it actually take only CNN and Fox to let them know what’s happening around the world? What does it take fro them to change their opinion about a people who if fighting the Russians were Mujahideen and if fighting the Americans are terrorists? What kind of a feeble, blurred and weak conviction could allow this in a human being?

What would it take to make them see that as Bosnians and Rwandans were butchered in front of their eyes, they did nothing for years and years, but as soon as Kuwait was invaded, they assembled the largest coalition of forces that the world has ever seen in a week…

Why? Because the oil supply would have been hindered? Is it because Muslims and blacks of Rwanda are cheap and expendable commodities?

A Canadian UN general committed suicide because of what he saw in Kosovo and his inability to act, yet these ‘Muslims’ on this board not only deny the existence of what Yvonne Ridley says in her speech, but come out in opposition to her views…

What dead hearts…They may talk about love and passion by watching hollywood and bollywood movies but they are devoid of any feeling whatsoever…They are as dead internally as they are outwardly…Nothing brings out passion in them unless it is a desire for more more more…

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May Allah lift that veil from their eyes. Truly they are blind.

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Nice line. Mind if I use it?

This is the point I think we should discuss. Why, in an article on "Muslim Blood" the one criticism directed towards Muslims (not counting secular liberal govts) is on the "Happy Clappies"?

Talk about Kosovo and the UN General committing suicide when Muslims are killing Muslims in the largest numbers? And please, not all of them, not even a significant number of them, have any foreign agents actually doing the killing. Its a Muslim firing at another Muslim inside a mosque in the end.

How about a little condemnation there? Then you might have some semblance of intellectual honesty. right now its just a dishonest, one-dimensional propaganda piece.

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I found her whole piece to be pretty much a one-dimensional propaganda piece. I just picked up on the one part that griped me the most. I found most of her piece to be intellectually dishonest and naive.

The Happy Clappies crap shows her lack of comprehension on why Muslim blood is cheap. It has absolutely nothing to do with the more moderate elements that these people represent. Her one criticism of Muslims was misplaced especially when there were several areas where she could have pointed out legitimate problems.

She didn't utter a peep about the majority of Muslims that are being killed, oppressed and subjugated - by other Muslims. That's why their blood is pereceived to be cheap.

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makes sense. i second this.
and also, one makes own space and can influence others, by sharing all experiences and by being able to listen to others and offer an agreement, where it is due. there is a certain kind of trust that only converts can develop because they are neutral and hopefully, they do things to make peace and not to be deceitfull or tyranical.

as a woman, if Yvonne's life history is followed and the turning pt for her life when she adapted to Islam, it can be seen that as a convert she as written mostly as a good and bad without glossed over, about muslim countries and nations or individual stories.

sadly, people are quick to misjudge and it happens all the time, where people lose opportunity to learn from each other and become a united force against the real evils around us all.

i wish that was not the case. it si setting us up for failure as we create so much untruth and begin believing in it.

as a journalist, and as a caucasian woman who accepted Islam as well as a travelled lady, Yvonne has been concentrating on her dual mission to write as well as expose the good and the bad.

and people must be able to read, understand and analyze the work of all objective journalists, in an even handed manner.

unless, she or other people mean to hype up inaccurate information about muslim states and nations or people, at least what can be done is: that people give space to her writing and compare and contrast the truth there in, with so much else that other muslims or non muslims are writing and that may be actually harming the integrity of Islam, Muslims and Muslim countries as well as culture, in reality.

best,
Dushwari

WINNER — Tasveerain Bolti hain 8th Edition
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Salam,

I agree, and lest not forget that she wanted to dish out the bad from the Taliban...and was taken captive by them. Her story was remarkable, and well applauded back in 2004...but now, she is seen as a traitor by those SAME happy clappies?
What is this?

She is totally valid in her point that we are being told to dilute our Islam, she is totally valid on the point that we're being nurtured and conditioned to forget our Ummah.

Her points are valid, i was there, at her speech convention, hundreds of muslims back in 2004, cheered her on, she wasn't even a muslim back then!

And now, we're so soft that we're being told to stay quiet, while muslim blood is shed?

If anything, its being shed due to external influence, muslims dont innately kill each other. One call from the oval office, and a bomb is dropped on a mosque by the Pak Military, of the "ISLAMIC nation" of the world. One call, and the president is told "help us kill muslims, or be prepared to be bombed back to the stone ages". This is the chivalry we defend?

I suggest people read the other article on here, the interview by Sh Hamza Yusuf.

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while you condemn that Crescent_, point is why no condemnation of Muslim religious groups that advocate the killing of other Muslims? In Pakistan atleast, the bulk of the Muslims killed in the last 20 years, has been sectarian. Likewise in Iraq, most of the killing has been shia-sunni or sunni-kurd vs sunni-arab. While amreeki bombs and invasions are higher profile, the average Pakistani Muslim is much more likely to meet a violent death at the hands of someone who believes hes killing for Allah, than someone who is acting under the orders of Bush. Why isnt the latter equally reprehensible, if not moreso? Why the silence on that front? Some 10,000 or so Muslims died in Pakistan in the 90s in the name of Allah, those werent externals hands doing the killings.

Thats the myopia Im condemning, without which you're presenting a cauterized version of the truth that is rightly called a feel-good propaganda piece bemoaning victimhood and saying we're otherwise hunkydory. No, we are, and have been killing each other in recent decades at a rate higher than any non-Muslim ever killed us, before any non-Muslim formally invaded our lands (excepting Israel).

We have very significant problems of our own to deal with. Blaming it all on america or foreign hands or bad governance or mismanagement doesnt change the fact that we still are the ones killing each other, most often in the name of Allah. Nobody forced us to form Lashkar-e-Jhangvi or Sipah-e-Sahaba or Sipah-e-Muhammad

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