Muslim Behavior

[Captain1]

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@PyariCgudia

But what makes us put religion on the backburner? Is it because we gulp actually don’t believe in what we profess to believe?

Yes, I’m afraid that thats what we are doing. Most of us are born into the religion and though we are ‘taught’ religion but how many of us actually “learn” it? We do memorize it though.

We follow Islam culturally, just like the time when Prophet Mohammed PBUH was born, all the idolators were praying to idols because their forefathers used to do it and they opposed Prophet just for the same reason. We have become like them, though we claim to “know” the religion, but its all verbal, not practical. Just a VERY small example, we have been taught “safaai nisf imaan hay”, now goto Muslim owned public places and compare them with non-Muslim owned public places, even goto restroom in Mosques and you’ll see how our “nisf imaan” is doing, one is supposed to come out clean but ends up getting messier.

Just goto masaajid in Ramzaan, you’ll see almost full masaajid, you’ll find people rushing for “taraweeh” prayer while missed Ishaa prayers. What happens on 30th night (or last night in Ramzan without taraweeh)??? People disappear like they have not been there before. Why? cuz we have probably more importance for “extra prayers” than “mandatory” prayers. They perhaps feel like they have earned enough “sawaab” for rest of the year.

[FrozenFire]

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@PyariCgudia

Why do muslims hurt one another?

becuz they think they are doing jehaad , in the name of Allah..

[Captain1]

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@FrozenFire

becuz they think they are doing jehaad , in the name of Allah..

not always, a shopkeeper when cheating other Muslims is also “hurting” them but not necessarily doing a “jihaad”, you have to broaden up your knowledge on “hurt”.

[picoico]

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@PyariCgudia

But what makes us put religion on the backburner? Is it because we gulp actually don’t believe in what we profess to believe?

It’s becaues people don’t want to WORK at being a better person. Excuses are much easier.

[Sadiyah]

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@Captain1

Yes, I’m afraid that thats what we are doing. Most of us are born into the religion and though we are ‘taught’ religion but how many of us actually “learn” it? We do memorize it though.

We follow Islam culturally, just like the time when Prophet Mohammed PBUH was born, all the idolators were praying to idols because their forefathers used to do it and they opposed Prophet just for the same reason. We have become like them, though we claim to “know” the religion, but its all verbal, not practical. Just a VERY small example, we have been taught “safaai nisf imaan hay”, now goto Muslim owned public places and compare them with non-Muslim owned public places, even goto restroom in Mosques and you’ll see how our “nisf imaan” is doing, one is supposed to come out clean but ends up getting messier.

Just goto masaajid in Ramzaan, you’ll see almost full masaajid, you’ll find people rushing for “taraweeh” prayer while missed Ishaa prayers. What happens on 30th night (or last night in Ramzan without taraweeh)??? People disappear like they have not been there before. Why? cuz we have probably more importance for “extra prayers” than “mandatory” prayers. They perhaps feel like they have earned enough “sawaab” for rest of the year.

Well said.

[Lahore_981]

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@PyariCgudia

You can’t separate “Islam and Muslims” from “How Muslims Actually Behave”.

Do you know what are you saying PCG? Subha nashtey main kiya khaya tha aaj?

[Thaqib]

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assalamu 'alaikum

We Muslims are humans. We common humans are not perfect. We do mistakes and sins. A Muslim can hurt his mother, his father, so even here he/she is hurting another Muslim who happen to be his/her parents. Just think how many Muslims hurt their parents everyday. When this is a MAJOR SIN.

On the day of judgement, no one will have a mother or a father, but everyone will be on his own. So, when one says "why do Muslims hurt one another" then this question is universal, "why does man hurt man?" "why do Muslims hurt other Muslims(parents, his own siblings, his teachers, his friends, his uncles, his aunties, his neighbours etc etc)

RasulAllah HabibAllah salalaho 'alaihi wa aalihi wa salam says that his ummah will be guilty of minor shirk, and what is that? It is disobedience to his teaching and therefore to Allah.

RasulAllah HabibAllah salalaho 'alaihi wa aalihi wa salam knows about his ummah, he knows about every Muslim on earth, as Allah has shown him the faces of his ummah in one blessed night. This is a recorded Hadith Mubarika which I am not quoting here. He has great fikr for his ummah. So much fikr that he prayed to Allah that they do not destroy eachother or kill eachother, but Allah told him salalaho 'alaihi wa salam that this will happen, they will destroy eachother.

Basically, the message is

Islam--------------->Iman------------------->IHsan

Know yourself, then you will know Allah. Gain the knowledge, then do the knowledge. This is just the outer covering. What this means is that, Islam is about the "training of the human heart", it is spiritual excellence. You can have people, who know the shari'ah mubaraka but still do not practice (no IHsan).

Pakistan, Indian, Bangladeshi, Sri Lankan Muslims who accepted Islam, accepted it on the hands of the Awliya Allah. They are the ones who spread Islam all over the world after the SaHaba al-Kiraam. They came to people, so that they could tell them how to learn and practice their own fitrah.

So, don't get dishearted my sis, on why you see some Muslims hurting other Muslims in this dunya. Just keep doing du'a for Muslims and bettering yourself, your heart, growing spiritually with the practice of the Sunnah Shareef of the Best of Creation salalaho 'alaihi wa aalihi wa salam and spreading this to others.

Salutations on the Last of the Prophets salalaho 'alaihi wa aalihi wa salam
Allahumma salle 'ala habibika nabi al ummi wa 'ala aalihi
As salatu wa salam 'alayka Ya RasulAllah wa 'ala aalika wa ashabika

[50.5_cents]

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lol hahaha

[deedawar]

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@Ansoon

Because we always look for “bad” things in our Muslims rather than looking at the good part and promoting that.. we can spend 1000 hours on discussing what is wrong but not a single hour or minute to help in the cause of Islam.

Makes perfect sense. Exactly my thoughts too.

PCG talk something good about muslims, if you cannot then don’t exaggrate the acts done by some people who ‘happen to be muslims’.

[Lahore_981]

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Take a break PCG.
Looks like you are mentally tired a bit. Take lots of sleep, sometimes it helps. :)

[deedawar]

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@PyariCgudia

deedawar:

I’m not bringing this whole topic up because I saw a movie. Nor is this about the movie. Nor can you assume that the movie is not an accurate reflection of what goes on in real life. The movie, if you read up on it, was modelled based on actual incidents that have happened.

Furthermore, what does that movie have to do with muslims? The topic of human trafficking is rampant in Pakistan, and also many Pacific rim countries that are muslim or heavily muslim populated (ex. Malaysia, Indonesia, Phillipines, etc). In fact, we’re seeing people kidnap Earthquake victims for this purpose. Regardless of what non-muslims do, muslims are very much a part of various activities, human trafficking only being ONE example, where one muslim intentionally delivers hurt to another.

So the question is as stated: Why do muslims hurt one another?

You talk about religion, but these muslims are not ignorant of Islam and what is Islamically correct. Despite KNOWING what they should do, they don’t do it. Why? Is it the way we’re taught Islam?

This doesn’t make Islam a bad religion or anything, as Islam is an independent entity. Its like mathematics. Mathematics is pure and accurate. But if a student is doing math problems and keeps making mistakes…does that mean mathematical equations suddenly aren’t working? Or does it mean the student was not taught correctly?

Just to let you know, movies are MADE to exaggerate and to have an agenda.

Many movies are made to make muslims look bad in the eyes of the people who watch the movies. I am sure you are aware of those if you watch movies regularly.

Anyway, I agree with the last paragraph of yours 100%.

BTW, there are many people on this earth doing the evil work of Shaitan including people of ALL religeons, despite majority of religeons advise otherwise.

As another post suggested, its time for us to talk good about us too sometimes based on FACTS.

We must give credit to everyone who is muslim and helping other muslims and non-muslims everywhere in this world.

Muslims are not so bad as they are seen in news and movies PCG.

[Captain1]

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deedawar, I'm sorry though your post was directed at PCG but if you ignore the "movie" part it'll be better. Even then if you think Muslims are in much better shape then all I can say is Allah help us all.

[KashmiriRainDrops]

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@PyariCgudia

Why do muslims hurt one another?

Y is the question directed just at Muslims? People of all faiths hurt one another…for some, it’s part of their nature.

[Captain1]

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@KashmiriRainDrops

Y is the question directed just at Muslims? People of all faiths hurt one another…for some, it’s part of their nature.

People all over the world hurt each other, Muslims do the same, whats the difference? Where did our teachings go? We claim to have “best” religion providing “excellent” teachings to be a “great human being”, but when someone questions how excellent we are we all get defensive and say oh we are just human we all do errors… why forget/ignore the teachings of Islam? probably because it is hard to admit that we aren’t following Islam.

[deedawar]

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Captain Gee. Sorry, if the reason for thread was a movie then let it be.

Someone has to tell naive people that they are naive, specially if because of their ignorance they blame muslims for ALL the bad things happening in the world.
The thread had asked for criticism since it was** generalized** that muslims hurt muslims.
And I know that its not true.

One cannot expect millions of people being ALL GOOD. Bad acts are done by human being since we all are human. Off course we must continue to get better than what we are now.

Now as it has been mentioned and in case you missed the point, pointing fingers ALL the time to muslims is a special quality of non-muslims. We as muslims are just mimicking this very 'prestigious' and 'noble' act as well, from time to time. In doing so, we at time forget many people who deserve great honor and appreciation individually and more importantly, muslims at large doing great work all over the world.

You must not have met with great, humble, noble, hard working, honest, educated, helping muslims in your life but I have in my life. The real people. I have seen muslims giving blood in crisis for others. I have seen muslims running towards hospital to help victim of accidents and bombing. I have seen and have met muslims helping non-muslims by raising fund for disaster victims. I have witnessed razakaar of sunni muslims clearing road for Shia procession.

We do not need to ask 'why muslims hurt muslims'

We need to ask, are there any other ways muslims can help muslims and non-muslims?
If we expect us to be great then we must have the correct attitude.

[PyariCgudia]

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The movie is not the focal point of the thread. It was not even about muslims! Learn to read and understand what I write.

As for we need to ask what ways can a muslim help muslims and non-muslims...? We are not asking ourselves that. Again, if you ask why, you'll come back to the root question..."Why do muslims hurt other muslims". I believe the answer to this question is the root of our community problems.

[AnGeL_EyEs]

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@Ansoon

Because we always look for “bad” things in our Muslims rather than looking at the good part and promoting that.. we can spend 1000 hours on discussing what is wrong but not a single hour or minute to help in the cause of Islam.

very good point :k:

for every flaw u find in our ummah…im sure you can find at least 3 good things.

[PyariCgudia]

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That optomistic? Then why are most muslims actually in poverty and suffering?

[Ansoon]

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PCG I or you can't make anyone rich or poor.. Allah is the one to take care of their risk.. so can't do anything about it.. YES there are PROBLEMS with muslims around the world.. but then there are those who are rich and yet they give so much to the society.. there are those who are NOT rich and even they give alot to society.. alot more that wat i give..

[PyariCgudia]

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You can't make anyone rich or poor?

Oh this just keeps getting more and more lovely. So, lets take this example. It came on "choti C naiki". Why I watch this show is another topic, soo...

They showed this lady who's been abandoned by her husband, and she's got two daughters to raise. Has no money and relies on charity. Her parents can't support her because they're disabled and sick themselves.

Well, at the end she said she'd like to open up a small parlor in her home, and that the money can help pay for necessities. Well, the money didn't fall out of the sky. ARY gave her the money to start up her parlor.

Therefore, I understand your point that everything is upto God's marzi. But God gave you the ORDER to give charity and to help others out in need. So indeed, we do have the power to bring others out of poverty.

And there are many degrees between "rich" and "poor". Lets not all think along the lines of either mud houses or mercedes benz in a garage of a mansion in L.A.