Muslim Behavior

[AnGeL_EyEs]

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As muslims we give charity but obviously that isnt going take everyone out of poverty. some ppl are just destined to be poor. That's the will of Allah.

[PyariCgudia]

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The poverty rates seen in muslim countries are not normal enough to brush off as inevitable.

But maybe that eases your conscience.

[Ansoon]

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PCG again I emphasis .. WE DIDN"T GIVE THAT MONEY... ultimately its Allah who has blessed just few of us to give that money and earn that sawab.. remember IF we are Muslims today than its a BLESSING a NAIMAT from Allah.. not because we were simply born in a Muslim household.

What you fail to realize is that poverty rates in Muslim countries (or in any country for that matter) are like an azaab from Allah... If we work towards deen with good intention then no doubt in my mind that Allah will take away the poverty rates from Muslim countries.. (i knw u will not be satisfied with this arguement coz still you don't believe that this is Allah's azab)

Edhi didn't really started off with a milion in his pocket.. but he was blessed by Allah for the TRUE niyat he made.. serves me as an example that with correct niyaat and intentions and efforts.. anyone can earn the rehmat of Allah .. its the effort that is lacking from Muslims today..

we get tensions just because of small problems in life.. small challenges in life.. and we start panicing and some of us start praying and some of us unfortunately don't go on this path.. but remember, those who came before us were also tested.. and their tests were much harder than what we are facing.. i can give you gazillion examples.. but i will just state one for now.. Prophet Yousuf -- taken away from his family at early age, brothers who were against him, got sold in the markets of eygpt, prisoner, became a slave and what not.but the difference between him and us is simply PATIENCE... he had it and was blessed by Allah

anyways.. we can never even come close to a prophet.. we need big efforts all along.. so my humble suggestion is to be positive.. think positive.. look at the bright side.. as well as the dark side.. May Allah guide us all..

[Captain1]

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@deedawar

Captain Gee. Sorry, if the reason for thread was a movie then let it be.

Someone has to tell naive people that they are naive, specially if because of their ignorance they blame muslims for ALL the bad things happening in the world.
The thread had asked for criticism since it was** generalized** that muslims hurt muslims.
And I know that its not true.

I’m sorry I don’t see why movie was the ‘focal’ point, it might have been the ‘reason of origination’ but not necessarily the issue of discussion. You can ignore the evils and bads of our society and live a happy life but if you look at the broader picture of Muslim as a ‘nation’ you will see that we aren’t as successful. I never suggested that we are totally out of good people and all Muslims are running around with a knife in their hand to slit throats.

I have seen what you have mentioned, the good and working people. I agree that 100% of the nation can’t be 100% pure and good but it doesn’t mean that we stop looking at the state of the nation.

I gave a you very minute example of status of masajid in Ramzan and afterwards, do you know why it happens? You can’t just shove it under the rug saying Masajid are not empty after Ramzan.

[deedawar]

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@PyariCgudia

The movie is not the focal point of the thread. It was not even about muslims! Learn to read and understand what I write.

As for we need to ask what ways can a muslim help muslims and non-muslims…? We are not asking ourselves that. Again, if you ask why, you’ll come back to the root question…“Why do muslims hurt other muslims”. I believe the answer to this question is the root of our community problems.

Well, read my post # 29 in response to your statement. I believe I do know how to read and understand PCG.

If you want to back track what you wrote then its fine.

Anyway, I am against the generalization in that question you ask.

Why muslims, why not ANYONE? Why not say…HUMAN BEHAVIOUR?

If for a moment this question arise in my mind I say, its because SOME muslims are not following Islam specially when it talks about humanity, justice and social equality.
Call me optimist then be ready, to be called pessimist.

[deedawar]

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@Captain1

I’m sorry I don’t see why movie was the ‘focal’ point, it might have been the ‘reason of origination’ but not necessarily the issue of discussion. You can ignore the evils and bads of our society and live a happy life but if you look at the broader picture of Muslim as a ‘nation’ you will see that we aren’t as successful. I never suggested that we are totally out of good people and all Muslims are running around with a knife in their hand to slit throats.

I have seen what you have mentioned, the good and working people. I agree that 100% of the nation can’t be 100% pure and good but it doesn’t mean that we stop looking at the state of the nation.

I gave a you very minute example of status of masajid in Ramzan and afterwards, do you know why it happens? You can’t just shove it under the rug saying Masajid are not empty after Ramzan.

Yes, its true that during ramazaan its different than not in ramazaan I can even say that during friday its different than during other days.

Can we not at least acknowledge that people DO CARE about ramazaan and friday and their relation to Islam? Do we have to see glass half empty ALL the time?
I posted a thread about ten most important things one wishes before death and all who posted had good things to say…

Human being is like a child. Positive reinforcement works faster than negative one.

If we want to see result, we need to promote positive attitude.
Besides, much of what we have on our mind is planted by the news etc.

Majority of muslims are still living in better condition than many others.
World’s richest people and countries do include muslims and muslim countries but it was mentioned by PCG otherwise.

[PyariCgudia]

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Wow. Even in my boredom I don’t have the patience to respond to what is being said here. People are, as usual, not reading what I’m saying, and putting words in my mouth. Or they’re essentially saying the same thing, but in different words, and they actually think they’re saying something different.

[deedawar]

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@PyariCgudia

That optomistic? Then why are most muslims actually in poverty and suffering?

^I did not write that you did.

[PyariCgudia]

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That was a response to Angel Eyes’ comments.

Learn to READ! :bash:

[KashmiriRainDrops]

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@Captain1

People all over the world hurt each other, Muslims do the same, whats the difference? Where did our teachings go? We claim to have “best” religion providing “excellent” teachings to be a “great human being”, but when someone questions how excellent we are we all get defensive and say oh we are just human we all do errors… why forget/ignore the teachings of Islam? probably because it is hard to admit that we aren’t following Islam.

I just meant, wot does religion have to do with it…ok yea, if everyone followed Islam word by word then perhaps we wudn’t be hurting each other as much…but who does that? Not even Christians or Jews or Hindus etc…If Islam claims to have the “best” religion/teaching and we have *some *Muslims who r doing bad stuff…then that’s cos those Muslims aren’t following Islam closely…but that goes for ppl of ALL religions, not just Muslims…that’s all i was trying to say…and i wasn’t being defensive as a Muslim, just as a person…u can’t say all Muslims or some or however many are bad, just cos some are…the stuff PCG is saying, about spying on each other, calling each other names…that is wot ppl personally do, not in a religous way i don’t think…and i think we’re forgetting that most Muslims are good, law-abiding citizens…i’m not making excuses for them bad ones, or saying that all Muslims are excellent…just that as humans, we can try our best but we will all make errors at some point…and yes, probably for some it is hard to admit that they arent’ following Islam “religiously”, but at least i know i can admit when i have done something against Islam’s teachings…perhaps we all shud…in the end, Allah knows y or y not things happen…none of us have the answer, in my opinion.

[PyariCgudia]

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Yeah we're law abiding. We tend to live in lands run by white people, and man do we love to kiss white butt.

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

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@AnGeL EyEs

As muslims we give charity but obviously that isnt going take everyone out of poverty. some ppl are just destined to be poor. That’s the will of Allah.

If everyone had given his/her proper share to charity, there would be no poor in this world.

[Captain1]

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@deedawar

Can we not at least acknowledge that people DO CARE about ramazaan and friday and their relation to Islam? Do we have to see glass half empty ALL the time?

I don’t mean to discourage that, you are right that we should propagate good things but we CANNOT afford to ignore bad things happening around us.

If we want to see result, we need to promote positive attitude.
Besides, much of what we have on our mind is planted by the news etc.

Sorry I disagree with that. I have lived in Saudi Arabia and I have lived in Pakistan and now US, I don’t “believe” in all the news broadcasted over TV/paper/internet. I’m talking from my own observations, experiences, and no I’m not an “isolated” case who has seen only bad things

Majority of muslims are still living in better condition than many others.
World’s richest people and countries do include muslims and muslim countries but it was mentioned by PCG otherwise.

That is the sad thing, why do we have to look at “rich” part, there may be thousands of rich people and thousands of poor people, but are they “content”? how many of them really earned it the halal way? Actually ‘wealth’ is not a real measure of imaan/faith of people of a society, there are several factors that are to be taken into account.

[Captain1]

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@KashmiriRainDrops

I just meant, wot does religion have to do with it…ok yea, if everyone followed Islam word by word then perhaps we wudn’t be hurting each other as much…but who does that? **Not even Christians or Jews or Hindus etc.

**
We are Muslims, why should we compare are good/bad being with followers of other religion? First thing is that we should look at ourselves whether we are following our own religion or not? If we are satisfied by our performance then we can go on and compare with rest… but Allah swt won’t compare us with Jews or Christians on Day of Judgement, He will look at our deeds ONLY.

..If Islam claims to have the “best” religion/teaching and we have *some *Muslims who r doing bad stuff…then that’s cos those Muslims aren’t following Islam closely…

That “some” is really a big number these days otherwise overall situation of our societies wouldn’t be as bad as it is. For the latter part of your comments, thats exactly what the issue is that we aren’t following Islam.

[deedawar]

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@PyariCgudia

That was a response to Angel Eyes’ comments.

Learn to READ! :bash:

LOL… Sorry your post was right after me and did not mention who it was referred to. Maybe you can adress to whoever you are dircting the post.

[PyariCgudia]

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Lahore Ka Cheeta...thank-you. Someone noticed the lack of consideration in that statement.

[expatobserver]

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@PyariCgudia

Why do muslims hurt one another?

No no no Pyarici, muslims are fair. They hurt others too.

[expatobserver]

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@Captain1

That is the sad thing, why do we have to look at “rich” part, there may be thousands of rich people and thousands of poor people, but are they “content”? .

Rich people are quite content. It is just poor people’s jealousy that they say rich people are not content.

[Captain1]

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@expatobserver

Rich people are quite content. It is just poor peopl’s jealousy that they say rich people are not content.

Nope, you are wrong my friend, ask richie rich people, there is no end to more money. May be both of us are wrong, its only “greedy” people who are never rich ‘enough’.

[expatobserver]

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@Captain1

Nope, you are wrong my friend, ask richie rich people, there is no end to more money. May be both of us are wrong, its only “greedy” people who are never rich ‘enough’.

I asked and they all say they are doing just fine. You can bleat as much as you want Kaptan saab. No rich person is losing even a minute’s sleep that some keyboard pontificator thinks they are not happy. But then you are entitled to your bharam.